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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">These Line 6 units are well respected
      in the electric bass world, especially considering their moderate
      price. I think bass players appreciate tight timing, and the low
      lag may be one reason these units are popular. Also, they have
      proven to be rugged enough to be "road-worthy". They can also
      model the hi-frequency lossiness of cords, though that seems of
      dubious value in your case.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Phil<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 3/1/13 12:24 PM, katja wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAFY0eareu0E7zyBZcPMK_+5U+xWWutRZpD5uDt8LxXZ1ALFu4g@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Apparently, Line 6 managed to build a digital 2.4 GHz
      wireless with &lt;4 ms latency, the Relay G30, G50 etc . They do
      not write it in the specs, but most users don't notice latency and
      when they do, their support is speaking of latency as low as that:<br>
      <br>
      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="http://line6.com/support/thread/33898">http://line6.com/support/thread/33898</a><br>
      <br>
      This weekend I will do some WiFi experiments and see how fast it
      can go locally, using mrpeach udp and tcp classes. If it works,
      one could use a wireless router which has no other task than
      routing Pd audio, and the computer at the receiving end could be a
      cheap headless board with no other task than receiving Pd audio
      and converting it to analog. Together the receiving device could
      be the size of a weight-watcher's lunch box, while at the
      transmitter side the computer's built-in stuff is used. Maybe I'm
      a bit naive here, anyway I'll report results from experiments.<br>
      <br>
      Katja<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 2:14 PM, richard
        duckworth <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:richduckworth@yahoo.com" target="_blank">richduckworth@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span>
        wrote:<br>
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              <div><span>OMG - that's really high! Maybe Tranz have a
                  belt holder solution - they do look kind of bulky
                  though! Maybe worth dropping them a line, see if
                  they'll help the Pd community&nbsp;</span></div>
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                <div>&nbsp;</div>
                <div>Rich Duckworth<br>
                  Lecturer in Music Technology<br>
                  Department of Music<br>
                  House 5 <br>
                  Trinity College <br>
                  Dublin 2<br>
                  Ireland<br>
                  Tel 353 1 896 1500<br>
                  <br>
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                <div class="im">"Digital?&nbsp;<br>
                  Is that the thing where they take a good old sine wave
                  and they chop it up into little bits?" --- Rupert Neve<br>
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                          <hr size="1"> <b><span
                              style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b>
                          katja &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:katjavetter@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">katjavetter@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
                          Antoine Villeret &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:antoine.villeret@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">antoine.villeret@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                          <br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
                          richard duckworth &lt;<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:richduckworth@yahoo.com"
                            target="_blank">richduckworth@yahoo.com</a>&gt;;
                          "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@iem.at</a>"
                          &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@iem.at</a>&gt;
                          <br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
                          Friday, 1 March 2013, 13:12<br>
                          <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
                          Re: [PD] wireless audio from Pd to PA system
                          (katja)<br>
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                        <div>Found more info about TI's PurePath
                          wireless. Latency of wireless transmission is
                          768 samples minimum. Added to this must be the
                          latencies of ad/da conversion. <br>
                          <br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
                            href="http://e2e.ti.com/support/low_power_rf/f/382/t/110331.aspx"
                            target="_blank">http://e2e.ti.com/support/low_power_rf/f/382/t/110331.aspx</a><br>
                          <br>
                          Forget about it, this concept is only useful
                          for home entertainment.<br>
                          <br>
                          Katja<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <div>On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:19 PM, katja <span
                              dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                rel="nofollow"
                                href="mailto:katjavetter@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank">katjavetter@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                            wrote:<br>
                            <blockquote style="margin:0 0 0
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                              solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks everyone
                              for your answers. <br>
                              <br>
                              The case is unconventional because a
                              stereo line signal must be sent from the
                              computer. Professional wireless systems
                              assume mic or instrument. Consumer systems
                              do transmit stereo signal, but without
                              bothering too much about latency.<br>
                              <br>
                              Frankly, I did not expect the difficulty
                              to find a good solution. Initially I
                              wanted the wearable computer for a music
                              video which is to be recorded live with
                              sounds from natural objects. I bought the
                              FM transmitter so my cameraman will be
                              able to hear the music while he's filming.
                              For this purpose it is ideal. Then I
                              thought it would be good to use the
                              computer in it's wearable mode for public
                              performance. I figured that one of the
                              many wireless solutions would suit the
                              purpose, but didn't reckon with the
                              unusual requirements.<br>
                              <br>
                              Further searching brought me to a new
                              technology 'PurePath' from Texas
                              Instruments. It has a range comparable
                              with WiFi (30m), while it seems to work
                              with paired devices as in Bluetooth. I
                              haven't seen consumer products with this
                              technology, but development kits are
                              available. A rather convincing demo is
                              here:<br>
                              <br>
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
                                href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YsnZQUfVGs"
                                target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YsnZQUfVGs</a><br>
                              <br>
                              If this system can work with low latency
                              it could be perfect for wireless Pd.<span><font
                                  color="#888888"><br>
                                  <br>
                                  Katja</font></span>
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                                    On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:41 AM,
                                    Antoine Villeret <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        rel="nofollow"
                                        href="mailto:antoine.villeret@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank">antoine.villeret@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">hello,&nbsp;
                                        <div><br>
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                                        <div>those are good for what
                                          they have been designed for
                                          and it depends on what you
                                          mean by "exellent sound
                                          quality"</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>I've made few tests on
                                          those few years ago and the
                                          bandwidth could be good enough
                                          to transmit guitar/bass signal
                                          but nothing else for me</div>
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                                        <div>+</div>
                                        <div>a</div>
                                        <div><br>
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                                      <div><br clear="all">
                                        <div>--<br>
                                          do it yourself &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
                                          &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            rel="nofollow"
                                            href="http://antoine.villeret.free.fr/"
                                            target="_blank">http://antoine.villeret.free.fr</a><br>
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                                        <div>2013/2/28 richard duckworth
                                          <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              rel="nofollow"
                                              href="mailto:richduckworth@yahoo.com"
                                              target="_blank">richduckworth@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
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                                                    <div><span><font
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                                                          Katja</font></span></div>
                                                    <div
style="font-style:normal;font-size:10px;background-color:transparent;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><font
                                                          size="1">one
                                                          of these would
                                                          do it - check
                                                          with Thomann
                                                          tech support
                                                          for gain
                                                          issues (these
                                                          are Instrument
                                                          Level input)
                                                          They should be
                                                          fine however
                                                          as active
                                                          guitar pickups
                                                          (like heavy
                                                          style EMG
                                                          pickups)
                                                          output quite
                                                          high levels.
                                                          These type of
                                                          wireless
                                                          systems tend
                                                          to be very
                                                          rugged, have
                                                          excellent
                                                          sound quality
                                                          and long
                                                          battery life -
                                                          and you'll
                                                          want these
                                                          things.&nbsp;</font></span></div>
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                                                          size="1"><a
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                                                          rel="nofollow"
href="http://www.thomann.de/ie/cat.html?gf=wireless_for_guitar_bass&amp;oa=pra"
target="_blank">http://www.thomann.de/ie/cat.html?gf=wireless_for_guitar_bass&amp;oa=pra</a></font></span></div>
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                                                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:8pt">Rich
                                                      Duckworth<br>
                                                      Lecturer in Music
                                                      Technology<br>
                                                      Department of
                                                      Music<br>
                                                      House 5 <br>
                                                      Trinity College <br>
                                                      Dublin 2<br>
                                                      Ireland<br>
                                                      Tel 353 1 896 1500<br>
                                                      <br>
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                                                      style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:8pt">"Digital?&nbsp;<br>
                                                      Is that the thing
                                                      where they take a
                                                      good old sine wave
                                                      and they chop it
                                                      up into little
                                                      bits?" --- Rupert
                                                      Neve<br>
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                                                          Message: 3<br>
                                                          Date: Thu, 28
                                                          Feb 2013
                                                          11:53:43 +0100<br>
                                                          From: katja
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:katjavetter@gmail.com" target="_blank">katjavetter@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          Subject: [PD]
                                                          wireless audio
                                                          from Pd to PA
                                                          system<br>
                                                          To: pd-list
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          rel="nofollow"
href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@iem.at</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          Message-ID:<br>
                                                          &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
                                                          &lt;CAFY0eapPSKfw+gVaxuTr7exHqLiG+<a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
                                                          href="mailto:pTdu8Rk6SNTraLiys2Msg@mail.gmail.com"
target="_blank">pTdu8Rk6SNTraLiys2Msg@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
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                                                          For a wearable
                                                          live
                                                          performance
                                                          computer, I am
                                                          looking into
                                                          the<br>
                                                          options of
                                                          sending
                                                          wireless audio
                                                          from Pd to a
                                                          PA sound
                                                          system and<br>
                                                          other
                                                          listeners.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          In a first
                                                          experiment
                                                          I've tried a
                                                          Linex FM
                                                          transmitter.
                                                          Audio quality<br>
                                                          is good
                                                          enough, and FM
                                                          transmitters
                                                          do not
                                                          introduce
                                                          latency. This<br>
                                                          option is
                                                          cheap and
                                                          flexible, as
                                                          the signal can
                                                          be received by
                                                          simple<br>
                                                          radio's, which
                                                          are even built
                                                          into cell
                                                          phones and
                                                          media players.
                                                          I<br>
                                                          would need to
                                                          boost the
                                                          transmission a
                                                          bit to make it
                                                          more reliable.<br>
                                                          This will of
                                                          course make
                                                          the equipment
                                                          illegal. Even
                                                          then, the risk<br>
                                                          that someone
                                                          else is
                                                          transmitting a
                                                          stronger
                                                          signal on the
                                                          channel can<br>
                                                          not be
                                                          excluded.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Another option
                                                          could be to
                                                          send audio
                                                          over Wifi.
                                                          This would
                                                          require<br>
                                                          WLAN to be
                                                          available, and
                                                          one extra
                                                          computer (with
                                                          audio
                                                          interface) as<br>
                                                          a receiver. To
                                                          avoid extra
                                                          latency the
                                                          audio should
                                                          be sent<br>
                                                          uncompressed,
                                                          like
                                                          [udpsend~] /
                                                          [udpreceive~]
                                                          can do it.
                                                          This has the<br>
                                                          risk of packet
                                                          loss and
                                                          serious
                                                          dropouts.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I've been
                                                          searching for
                                                          2.4 GHz
                                                          wireless music
                                                          receivers and
                                                          found<br>
                                                          things like
                                                          this:<br>
                                                          <a
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                                                          rel="nofollow"
href="http://www.sitecom.com/en/wireless-music-streamer/wl-061/p/203"
                                                          target="_blank">http://www.sitecom.com/en/wireless-music-streamer/wl-061/p/203</a>.
                                                          They<br>
                                                          seem to act
                                                          like external
                                                          soundcards for
                                                          your computer.
                                                          In Linux<br>
                                                          though I've
                                                          never managed
                                                          to properly
                                                          connect
                                                          multiple
                                                          soundcards
                                                          with<br>
                                                          Pd (in OSX
                                                          it's easy
                                                          using the
                                                          Aggregate
                                                          Device Editor
                                                          from Audio
                                                          MIDI<br>
                                                          Setup). Also I
                                                          guess these
                                                          devices
                                                          introduce huge
                                                          latency. With
                                                          audio<br>
                                                          over bluetooth
                                                          headsets I've
                                                          experienced
                                                          latencies up
                                                          to a second.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Does anyone
                                                          use a
                                                          satisfactory
                                                          method in
                                                          practice, to
                                                          send audio
                                                          from<br>
                                                          Pd without
                                                          wires?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Thanks,<br>
                                                          Katja<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
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