<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On 07/29/2013 07:50 AM, András Murányi
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:19 AM,
Frank Barknecht <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fbar@footils.org" target="_blank">fbar@footils.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 03:28:01AM +0100, András Murányi
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> Cool, i was wandering around in the rj lib but i
couldn't find how this thing<br>
> works. Can you just tell me in a nutshell please?<br>
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yeah, it's a bit convoluted, to make it play nice in the
background without a<br>
user ever having to see a single sssad object ...<br>
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Anyway the real interesting feature you will like is not
so much the "saveonly"<br>
message but local saving which is enabled by adding
something like "$0" as<br>
second argument to your [sssad] objects. Such local sssad
objects cannot be controlled<br>
via sending to "SSSAD_ADMIN" anymore! Instead you have to
send to "$0-SSSAD_ADMIN".<br>
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In rj, the [u_sssad] objects are copies of sssad.pd and
they are hidden<br>
in [u_dispatch] objects. These objects are in almost every
rj abstraction and<br>
handle two things: Dispatching of "tagged messages" from
an inlet to local<br>
receivers and saving the sssad-parameters.<br>
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For example a [u_dispatch $0 freq] will turn messages like
"freq 440" into a<br>
"440" sent to [s $0-freq] and it will also save "440" into
a local(!)<br>
sssad-parameter called "freq" that is local to the value
of $0.<br>
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Now a second utility abstraction, [u_loader] will build a
bridge between these<br>
local sssads with their $0-SSSAD_ADMIN receivers and two
global receivers<br>
called RJ_SCENE_LOAD and RJ_SCENE_SAVE. Actually these are
seldomly used in<br>
rjdj scenes.<br>
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A typical idiom to get the state of all sssads in one
abstraction is to send<br>
"save" to the $0-SSSAD_ADMIN in ony abstraction, then
collect all the responses<br>
into messages and save these into message boxes. This is
handled inside of<br>
[u_loader] and can be seen all over the rj library,
expecially in Andy's synths<br>
like s_ejun or s_cwc.<br>
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If this sounds too complicated and you want to just have a
presettable<br>
abstraction, you just need to do this:<br>
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1) add a [u_loader abstractionname-$1 $0] object<br>
2) add a [u_dispatch $0 parametername] object for every
parameter<br>
3) daisychain all [u_dispatch] with connections and
connect the first one to an inlet.<br>
3.1) Optionally: Connect [u_loader]'s outlet to an outlet
and route incoming<br>
"save" messages to its inlet to save settings in the
parent patch, e.g. with [u_cocollect]<br>
4) Call you abstractions with unique tags as first
argument<br>
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Now try sending stuff to RJ_SCENE_SAVE and RJ_SCENE_LOAD
and to the inlets of<br>
your abstractions.<br>
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Ciao<br>
<span><font color="#888888">--<br>
Frank Barknecht Do You RjDj.me? _
______footils.org__<br>
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<div>Huh, I'm trying to pick this up (after 3 years...)<br>
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Honestly, currently my IQ seems to be less than satisfactory
to understand and utilize the advice. (It's also almost 40
degrees C here so I'll have to think out loud...)<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">- is the SSSAD in s-abstractions recent
enough for these tricks? (<a href="http://code.google.com/p/s-abstractions/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsssad" target="_blank">http://code.google.com/p/s-abstractions/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsssad</a>)<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">- is there an example patch of SSSAD
local saving available? i just wish to see/understand how to
save and load presets exclusive for an abstraction instance.<br>
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- or, please, is it possible to list the steps of creating
SSSAD local saving for an abstraction? (eventually using
[presetstore]... which I have attached because it's not hosted
anywhere any more)?<br>
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- is at viable at all to avoid using rjlib for this (and to
use 'pure' SSSAD), or I couldn't get away without all that
patching that is in u_loader, u_dispatch, u_cocollect etc?<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">...sorry for the dependent mental state
in which I am! :-o<br>
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I don't think it's your mental state. Those tools are clunky.<br>
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Have you looked at Ivica's [preset_hub] in Pd-l2ork? You simply
name the [preset_hub],<br>
and all the [preset_node] objects with the same name on that canvas
or a child of it<br>
(including abstractions) work together. No need to use dollarsign
arguments at all.<br>
All state is saved with the patch and adding/removing nodes works
seamlessly, even with<br>
infinite undo.<br>
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His preset system even makes an automatic, hidden connection back
into the [preset_node]<br>
so you don't get crossed wires.<br>
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-Jonathan</div></blockquote><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <br></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Now that you told it, I gave myself a shot of it. Mmmmmm...! Simple and fast and feels so good.<br></div>
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">However... I'm afraid of locking myself in pd-l2ork. That would mean that my songs are basically in l2ork.<br></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Where does this thing store its data? Is it possible to dump it out in raw form?<br>
</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">On the other hand, you've been using l2ork for a while, right? Can I ask you "how does it feel", do you feel locked in, etc? You no miss 0.43 plugins...?!<br></div>
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Thanks,<br></div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br>András
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