<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Frank Barknecht <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fbar@footils.org" target="_blank">fbar@footils.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
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On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 03:28:01AM +0100, András Murányi wrote:<br>
> Cool, i was wandering around in the rj lib but i couldn't find how this thing<br>
> works. Can you just tell me in a nutshell please?<br>
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</div>yeah, it's a bit convoluted, to make it play nice in the background without a<br>
user ever having to see a single sssad object ...<br>
<br>
Anyway the real interesting feature you will like is not so much the "saveonly"<br>
message but local saving which is enabled by adding something like "$0" as<br>
second argument to your [sssad] objects. Such local sssad objects cannot be controlled<br>
via sending to "SSSAD_ADMIN" anymore! Instead you have to send to "$0-SSSAD_ADMIN".<br>
<br>
In rj, the [u_sssad] objects are copies of sssad.pd and they are hidden<br>
in [u_dispatch] objects. These objects are in almost every rj abstraction and<br>
handle two things: Dispatching of "tagged messages" from an inlet to local<br>
receivers and saving the sssad-parameters.<br>
<br>
For example a [u_dispatch $0 freq] will turn messages like "freq 440" into a<br>
"440" sent to [s $0-freq] and it will also save "440" into a local(!)<br>
sssad-parameter called "freq" that is local to the value of $0.<br>
<br>
Now a second utility abstraction, [u_loader] will build a bridge between these<br>
local sssads with their $0-SSSAD_ADMIN receivers and two global receivers<br>
called RJ_SCENE_LOAD and RJ_SCENE_SAVE. Actually these are seldomly used in<br>
rjdj scenes.<br>
<br>
A typical idiom to get the state of all sssads in one abstraction is to send<br>
"save" to the $0-SSSAD_ADMIN in ony abstraction, then collect all the responses<br>
into messages and save these into message boxes. This is handled inside of<br>
[u_loader] and can be seen all over the rj library, expecially in Andy's synths<br>
like s_ejun or s_cwc.<br>
<br>
If this sounds too complicated and you want to just have a presettable<br>
abstraction, you just need to do this:<br>
<br>
1) add a [u_loader abstractionname-$1 $0] object<br>
2) add a [u_dispatch $0 parametername] object for every parameter<br>
3) daisychain all [u_dispatch] with connections and connect the first one to an inlet.<br>
3.1) Optionally: Connect [u_loader]'s outlet to an outlet and route incoming<br>
"save" messages to its inlet to save settings in the parent patch, e.g. with [u_cocollect]<br>
4) Call you abstractions with unique tags as first argument<br>
<br>
Now try sending stuff to RJ_SCENE_SAVE and RJ_SCENE_LOAD and to the inlets of<br>
your abstractions.<br>
<br>
Ciao<br>
<span class=""><font color="#888888">--<br>
Frank Barknecht Do You RjDj.me? _ ______footils.org__<br>
</font></span><div class=""><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Huh, I'm trying to pick this up (after 3 years...)<br></div>Honestly, currently my IQ seems to be less than satisfactory to understand and utilize the advice. (It's also almost 40 degrees C here so I'll have to think out loud...)<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">- is the SSSAD in s-abstractions recent enough for these tricks? (<a href="http://code.google.com/p/s-abstractions/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsssad">http://code.google.com/p/s-abstractions/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fsssad</a>)<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra">- is there an example patch of SSSAD local saving available? i just wish to see/understand how to save and load presets exclusive for an abstraction instance.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
- or, please, is it possible to list the steps of creating SSSAD local saving for an abstraction? (eventually using [presetstore]... which I have attached because it's not hosted anywhere any more)?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
- is at viable at all to avoid using rjlib for this (and to use 'pure' SSSAD), or I couldn't get away without all that patching that is in u_loader, u_dispatch, u_cocollect etc?<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br clear="all"></div><div class="gmail_extra">...sorry for the dependent mental state in which I am! :-o<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>András
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