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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Brian: I comment between lines:<br>
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      El 09/08/13 09:42, Brian Fay escribi&oacute;:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Is there a specific type of microphone you will be
        using? I've seen some videos of Beardyman recently using some
        type of hands-free lavalier microphone.</div>
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    I will use my wireless VHF SHURE microphone (I know it is old). The
    original is a headset, but, for beatbox, I use a SM-58 connected to
    the same trasnmisor. It sounds different, so, the SM-58 jack has a
    resistor to turn the gain down and an EQ in PureData, to make it
    sound like the other.<br>
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    I don't know if I will use the headset (as Beardyman) or the SM-58.
    It is about comfort.<br>
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        <div>This and other condenser microphones require "Phantom
          Power," which is provided by many audio interfaces and mixers
          but generally not built in to an internal soundcard.</div>
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    It doesn't need phantom power.<br>
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        <div>See how far you can get with what you have; there's no
          point in buying something that you don't need. But you might
          find that you do need one eventually.</div>
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    I will buy the cheap soundcard (ARS $200). I understand what you
    say, but it has some benefits:<br>
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    - I care the notebook audio-out jack. USB is more resistent for
    pluging and unpluging. I (this) summer, I work in a park and I do
    what this video shows, EVERYNIGHT:
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    - I have more inputs and outputs (for future features).<br>
    - Maybe, I avoid noise in the line (for the moment, I don't have
    it... but I think it depends on the power line of the location).<br>
    - Sometimes, I do record some samples... it will be usefull for
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        <div>Keep in mind that you'll need very low latency (less than
          20 miliseconds) for your application. I'm not sure if this is
          affected by the sound card or not. All of the audio processing
          happens on the CPU, but maybe the buffering stages for the
          sound card add enough delay to add latency... could somebody
          &nbsp;with more familiarity chime in here?</div>
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    For now, I have 5.8ms of latency. It's very good for me. If you are
    saying that an external soundcard would add latency... more than the
    internal, so, it is not good!<br>
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    Thanks.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Mario
          Mey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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              <div>El 08/08/13 17:50, Charles Z Henry escribi&oacute;:<br>
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                          <div>Hi Mario<br>
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                            The number one reason for having an external
                            sound card is noise isolation.&nbsp; The card's
                            proximity to the power supply and
                            motherboard are bad for EM noise.&nbsp; Also, a
                            computer power supply and a good audio power
                            supply for recording have much the same
                            relationship--there's more noise in
                            switching electronics.<br>
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                          Next, there's the size constraints.&nbsp; You'd
                          have a hard time adding all the connectors for
                          a large number of channels on a card which
                          plugs in to your PCI(e) slots.<br>
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              It's ok, I have a notebook: 1 plug out, 1 plug in.
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                        Third:&nbsp; there's not as great a need for
                        bandwidth for audio as there is with video.&nbsp;
                        Video cards need all that PCI(e) bandwidth.&nbsp;
                        Audio doesn't.&nbsp; It's a relatively small amount
                        of data.&nbsp; Of course--I think USB and firewire
                        really don't have enough bandwidth for good
                        scalability, but that's another discussion.<br>
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                      But... what are you doing with it?&nbsp; You have
                      different requirements for recording and for live
                      sound.&nbsp; Live sound:&nbsp; just do it up.&nbsp; No one will
                      likely notice.<br>
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              Live sound is my purpose. Mic-in looping-station and
              multieffects system (following the steps of Beardyman and
              his Beardytron_5000). But, sorry about not understanding
              your expresion (english is not my native language)....
              What do you mean with "just do it up, no one will likely
              notice"? Should I buy it or no one will notice the
              difference? I think you mean I should...
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                      If you're planning on recording something on just
                      2 channels on the built-in sound card, keep in
                      mind that your dynamic range will be pretty bad,
                      even if you get a good pre-amp in the middle to
                      take the most advantage of your range.&nbsp; You'd much
                      rather have an external sound card with some
                      adjustable analog pre-amps in the box.<br>
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              About the soundcard I post, the Encore 7.1 ENMAB-8CM (<a
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              it's really a china generic useless card... or it's good
              for starting? It has no analog pot.<br>
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              Thanks so much for your time.
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:30
                      PM, Mario Mey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                        soundcard:<br>
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                        00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices
                        [AMD] nee ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) (rev 40).<br>
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                        I know that Pd is processing on CPU and I don't
                        need more than 2 inputs and 2 outputs channels.
                        So... I "think" that there's no need to buy an
                        external one.<br>
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                        Is there any benefit of using one?<br>
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                        I know that this USB soundcard is not a very
                        good one... but maybe it's good for my economy.
                        What's your opinion?<br>
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