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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/21/2013 09:38 PM, Dan Wilcox
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Errr. That's not so easy. You need the 10.5 SDK which you can only
get with a *really* old version of Xcode which you probably can't
install on anything newer than OSX 10.6. It's possible to put
older SDK's themselves into the "right place" but, for something
as old as the 10.5 SDK, it may not even work anymore. The only
reliabel way to use an old machine with 10.5 or 10.6 and an old
version of Xcode, probably Xcode 3.something.
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<div>IMHO, at this point, it's best to drop support for PPC for
new versions of pd. The *vast vast vast* majority of OSX users
have moved on at this point.<br>
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Just to make sure I understand: if someone has an old PPC Mac, they
cannot<br>
run stuff compiled for i386 or x86_64. There is no
compatibility-mode or anything<br>
they can use to run the software. Is this correct?<br>
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Also, do you have any references for the claim that the vast
majority of OSX<br>
users have moved away from PPC? I find Jobs' claim that Apple
doesn't ship<br>
junk to generally be true, and combined with their development model
the<br>
unfortunate result would seem to be that poor people still using
their once<br>
sleek and sexy devices are ignored along with their now ugly,
unprofitable<br>
devices.<br>
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-Jonathan<br>
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<div>On Oct 21, 2013, at 9:12 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[PD] Building externals on OSX</b><br>
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<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium;
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium;
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rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float:
none; ">On 10/21/2013 02:09 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner
wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica;
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<blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica;
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line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align:
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-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">That sounds like
you're building pd/extra from Pd-vanilla. I never had
any<br>
luck with that build system. That's part of the reason
why I ripped out extra<br>
from Pd-extended and made it a standalone library. It
was much easier to make<br>
it work that way.<br>
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<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium;
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium;
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rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float:
none; ">Figured this one out, too. It was a problem of
building 64 bit binaries-- I just</span><br
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium;
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
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rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float:
none; ">ended up building for i386 and the problem went
away.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica;
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<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium;
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
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rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float:
none; ">If I'm going to go to the trouble of building
for both architectures, then I</span><br
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium;
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
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rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float:
none; ">might as well go ahead and build ppc, too. So
the real solution would be</span><br style="font-family:
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rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float:
none; ">for me to remove my current xcode setup and read
all the stackoverflow</span><br style="font-family:
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word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
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rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float:
none; ">workarounds telling which older XCode version to
setup an environment</span><br style="font-family:
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rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important; float:
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