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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Oups, i wanted to say 'Ubuntu 13.10'.<br>
      ++<br>
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      Jack<br>
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      Le 05/03/2014 21:28, Jack a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Did you try with Ubuntu 13.04 ?<br>
        With this version, I don't get crash when i create an object or
        when the object doesn't exist. I have to admit, i get crash in
        very rare cases, so it is not totally fixed yet (but it is
        better when i was with Ubuntu 12.04).<br>
        ++<br>
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        Jack<br>
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        Le 05/03/2014 21:03, Pierre Massat a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:<br>
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              <div>Hi,<br>
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              Just a quick follow up on this topic. I have just compiled
              Miller's latest version (0.45-4), and the bug that's
              crashing X is still there. This time I managed to
              reproduce it somehow by creating an empty object to make a
              subpatch and typing "pd m" (and bang it crashed). Same
              behaviour with the same patch in pd-extended 0.43.4.<br>
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            It's super annoying...<br>
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          Cheers,<br>
          <br>
          Pierre.<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">2014-02-25 23:16 GMT+01:00 Ivica
            Bukvic <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank">ico@vt.edu</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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              <p dir="ltr">Once pd-extended removes unnecessary
                dependency on pd-utils you will. Until then you will
                need to uninstall one and install the other.</p>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 25, 2014 4:54 PM,
                    "Pierre Massat" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:pimassat@gmail.com" target="_blank">pimassat@gmail.com</a>&gt;

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                            <div>Hi,<br>
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                            Katja, I will try to check if this is a
                            problem with pulse audio. I also have a
                            jackdbus running even when applications
                            supposed to use it are closed (Ardour and Pd
                            in my case).<br>
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                          Can I install pd-l2ork alongside pd-extended,
                          or do I have to uninstall it first ?<br>
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                        Pierre.<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-02-25 22:22
                          GMT+01:00 Ivica Bukvic <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                            <p dir="ltr">Guys, Can you check if pd-l2ork
                              works OK and please report? We provide
                              native Ubuntu builds (built for 12.04).</p>
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 25, 2014
                                  4:20 PM, "katja" &lt;<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:katjavetter@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank">katjavetter@gmail.com</a>&gt;

                                  wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                                    solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hi Pierre,<br>
                                    <br>
                                    I'm on Xubuntu 12.04 with
                                    Pd-extended 0.44 and have
                                    experienced big<br>
                                    troubles with Jack too. I only use
                                    Jack for complex routings like<br>
                                    Skype to Pd or Kdenlive to Pd via
                                    PulseAudio+Jack. I got a lot of<br>
                                    jackdbus-errors initially, and jack
                                    wouldn't restart. Don't know if<br>
                                    it's the same issue which you're
                                    experiencing. Anyway, it seems that<br>
                                    this was about jackd2 writing config
                                    files to different places, which<br>
                                    can be out of sync under certain
                                    conditions. Not sure if this is a<br>
                                    correct description but it is my
                                    interpretation. Looking at running<br>
                                    processes in command htop, I always
                                    noticed a jackdbus processing<br>
                                    still running when the dbus error
                                    was given. Killing the jackdbus<br>
                                    process sometimes helped. But in the
                                    course of time I've somehow<br>
                                    learned how to avoid it at all, by
                                    carefully considering the right<br>
                                    order of operations when starting
                                    processes. I have PulseAudio<br>
                                    disabled by default, so I can start
                                    Jack first, then the Jack clients,<br>
                                    of which PulseAudio may be one. Then
                                    eventually the PulseAudio<br>
                                    clients. When killing processes,
                                    everything in reverse order. I don't<br>
                                    like this hocus pocus, but well, I'm
                                    happy if it works at all. On<br>
                                    Kubuntu I couldn't get PulseAudio to
                                    cooperate with Jack.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Katja<br>
                                    <br>
                                    On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:33 PM,
                                    Pierre Massat &lt;<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:pimassat@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank">pimassat@gmail.com</a>&gt;

                                    wrote:<br>
                                    &gt; I just checked again and to to
                                    sum up I have three problems :<br>
                                    &gt; - errors with JACK (and
                                    instability),<br>
                                    &gt; - X crashes sometimes when
                                    typing stuff in an object box,<br>
                                    &gt; - and Alsa throwing this error
                                    in the console : "ALSA output error
                                    (restart<br>
                                    &gt; failed): Broken pipe" (though
                                    the sound does work).<br>
                                    &gt;<br>
                                    &gt; Pierre.<br>
                                    &gt;<br>
                                    &gt;<br>
                                    &gt; 2014-02-25 21:23 GMT+01:00
                                    Cyrille Henry &lt;<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:ch@chnry.net"
                                      target="_blank">ch@chnry.net</a>&gt;:<br>
                                    &gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt; Le 25/02/2014 21:03, Roman
                                    Haefeli a &eacute;crit :<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; On Die, 2014-02-25 at
                                    19:50 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I have installed
                                    Pd-extended from the Ubuntu repos.
                                    It seems to be the<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; same version as the
                                    one available on <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://puredata.info"
                                      target="_blank">puredata.info</a>
                                    (0.43.4).<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; I am pretty sure there
                                    is no package called 'pd-extended'
                                    in the Ubuntu<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; repositories. Probably
                                    you got it from Hans' ppa or from<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://apt.puredata.info"
                                      target="_blank">apt.puredata.info</a>?<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; Also, is your Ubuntu
                                    12.04 up-to-date? Your bug
                                    description sounds like<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; an intel driver bug in
                                    13.04 or 13.10 that has been
                                    discussed a lot on<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; this list. I thought
                                    this bug has been fixed for quite a
                                    while.<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt; i still have some problem.
                                    (i'm on 13.10). X can crash
                                    specially if i have<br>
                                    &gt;&gt; object that are not created
                                    on the patch.<br>
                                    &gt;&gt; c<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt; Roman<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                    &gt;&gt;&gt;
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                                    &gt;&gt;<br>
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