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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Did you try with Ubuntu 13.04 ?<br>
      With this version, I don't get crash when i create an object or
      when the object doesn't exist. I have to admit, i get crash in
      very rare cases, so it is not totally fixed yet (but it is better
      when i was with Ubuntu 12.04).<br>
      ++<br>
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      Jack<br>
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      Le 05/03/2014 21:03, Pierre Massat a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:<br>
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            <div>Hi,<br>
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            Just a quick follow up on this topic. I have just compiled
            Miller's latest version (0.45-4), and the bug that's
            crashing X is still there. This time I managed to reproduce
            it somehow by creating an empty object to make a subpatch
            and typing "pd m" (and bang it crashed). Same behaviour with
            the same patch in pd-extended 0.43.4.<br>
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          It's super annoying...<br>
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        Cheers,<br>
        <br>
        Pierre.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-02-25 23:16 GMT+01:00 Ivica Bukvic
          <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank">ico@vt.edu</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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            <p dir="ltr">Once pd-extended removes unnecessary dependency
              on pd-utils you will. Until then you will need to
              uninstall one and install the other.</p>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 25, 2014 4:54 PM,
                  "Pierre Massat" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:pimassat@gmail.com" target="_blank">pimassat@gmail.com</a>&gt;
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                          <div>Hi,<br>
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                          Katja, I will try to check if this is a
                          problem with pulse audio. I also have a
                          jackdbus running even when applications
                          supposed to use it are closed (Ardour and Pd
                          in my case).<br>
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                        Can I install pd-l2ork alongside pd-extended, or
                        do I have to uninstall it first ?<br>
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                      Pierre.<br>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">2014-02-25 22:22
                        GMT+01:00 Ivica Bukvic <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank">ico@vt.edu</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                          <p dir="ltr">Guys, Can you check if pd-l2ork
                            works OK and please report? We provide
                            native Ubuntu builds (built for 12.04).</p>
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                              <div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 25, 2014
                                4:20 PM, "katja" &lt;<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:katjavetter@gmail.com"
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                                  Hi Pierre,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  I'm on Xubuntu 12.04 with Pd-extended
                                  0.44 and have experienced big<br>
                                  troubles with Jack too. I only use
                                  Jack for complex routings like<br>
                                  Skype to Pd or Kdenlive to Pd via
                                  PulseAudio+Jack. I got a lot of<br>
                                  jackdbus-errors initially, and jack
                                  wouldn't restart. Don't know if<br>
                                  it's the same issue which you're
                                  experiencing. Anyway, it seems that<br>
                                  this was about jackd2 writing config
                                  files to different places, which<br>
                                  can be out of sync under certain
                                  conditions. Not sure if this is a<br>
                                  correct description but it is my
                                  interpretation. Looking at running<br>
                                  processes in command htop, I always
                                  noticed a jackdbus processing<br>
                                  still running when the dbus error was
                                  given. Killing the jackdbus<br>
                                  process sometimes helped. But in the
                                  course of time I've somehow<br>
                                  learned how to avoid it at all, by
                                  carefully considering the right<br>
                                  order of operations when starting
                                  processes. I have PulseAudio<br>
                                  disabled by default, so I can start
                                  Jack first, then the Jack clients,<br>
                                  of which PulseAudio may be one. Then
                                  eventually the PulseAudio<br>
                                  clients. When killing processes,
                                  everything in reverse order. I don't<br>
                                  like this hocus pocus, but well, I'm
                                  happy if it works at all. On<br>
                                  Kubuntu I couldn't get PulseAudio to
                                  cooperate with Jack.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Katja<br>
                                  <br>
                                  On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:33 PM,
                                  Pierre Massat &lt;<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:pimassat@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank">pimassat@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  &gt; I just checked again and to to
                                  sum up I have three problems :<br>
                                  &gt; - errors with JACK (and
                                  instability),<br>
                                  &gt; - X crashes sometimes when typing
                                  stuff in an object box,<br>
                                  &gt; - and Alsa throwing this error in
                                  the console : "ALSA output error
                                  (restart<br>
                                  &gt; failed): Broken pipe" (though the
                                  sound does work).<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; Pierre.<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; 2014-02-25 21:23 GMT+01:00
                                  Cyrille Henry &lt;<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:ch@chnry.net"
                                    target="_blank">ch@chnry.net</a>&gt;:<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt; Le 25/02/2014 21:03, Roman
                                  Haefeli a &eacute;crit :<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt; On Die, 2014-02-25 at
                                  19:50 +0100, Pierre Massat wrote:<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I have installed
                                  Pd-extended from the Ubuntu repos. It
                                  seems to be the<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; same version as the
                                  one available on <a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://puredata.info"
                                    target="_blank">puredata.info</a>
                                  (0.43.4).<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt; I am pretty sure there is
                                  no package called 'pd-extended' in the
                                  Ubuntu<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt; repositories. Probably
                                  you got it from Hans' ppa or from<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt; <a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://apt.puredata.info"
                                    target="_blank">apt.puredata.info</a>?<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt; Also, is your Ubuntu
                                  12.04 up-to-date? Your bug description
                                  sounds like<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt; an intel driver bug in
                                  13.04 or 13.10 that has been discussed
                                  a lot on<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt; this list. I thought this
                                  bug has been fixed for quite a while.<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt; i still have some problem.
                                  (i'm on 13.10). X can crash specially
                                  if i have<br>
                                  &gt;&gt; object that are not created
                                  on the patch.<br>
                                  &gt;&gt; c<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt; Roman<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;
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                                  &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                                  &gt;&gt;
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