<div dir="ltr">Oops, I'll be dammed, but [text] doesn't seem to handle "$0" in the same way.<div><br></div><div>Although it looks like a super [qlist], giving [text] a "$0" for an address symbol, such as "$0-test1", turns it into "0-test1"... so no deal for it. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm assuming it's not supposed to be something regarding an object design. As with [qlist] and [textfile], the issue is related to the way Pd doesn't handle $0 in messages. So unless it eventually does, I guess that the only thing left to do is to find some workarounds as discussed here.</div>
<div><br></div><div>"<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">note that i'm not saying that this could not be done more conveniently</span></div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">on the Pd side. i'm only saying that you can build things yourself</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">that do (more or less) what you want to do. and it's not that hard to</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">create your own little set of helpers that do what you want (though</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">probably not what I want)"</span><div>
<font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">I get that, and I'm actually cool with the philosophy. The reason I insist is aimed to Pd's functionality as a whole, and I only mention one thing or another after giving it a good deal of thought and really believing it'd be a better user experience for other people. Specially beginners.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Actually, lots of this issues come up for me when I'm preparing patches for classes. And I'm also writing extensive documentation for Pd. So when I hit this issues I think of the students and all the people I want to lure into Pd, selling it as a very simple and fucntional environment.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Bur for example, now I'm teaching how to do sequencing, and I'd like to say that it just works if anyone needs [qlist] to send local messages. It's bad to not mention some limitations or to mention them and spend a lot of time on some clumsy workarounds to avoid them.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">And for having taught Pd a lot, the $0 thing in messages is always something that stands out for some working around. It's fine by me, I'm just thinking of newcomers having to grasp these details, when I wonder if it all could just be solved internally on the way Pd is programmed to deal with messages.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">I assume I have no idea of the hassles involved, but I have the idea that there must be a few options to solve this. It can't be impossible.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Well, one way or another, this is just a humble opinion. It's my two cents on the subject. I don't see any problem emerging from the capability of messages inheriting $0, and it'd be totally backwards compatible to older patches. Moeover, [qlist] and [text] could send messages to local receives.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">cheers<br></font><div> </div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-04-03 13:45 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com" target="_blank">porres@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="">> <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Miller proposed to use the new [text] class introduced in 0.45</span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font><div>Oh I see, didn't know about it. It really seems like it's the option for more flexibility than [qlist] can handle. Will try it out.</div>
</div><div>cheers</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-04-03 3:38 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:reduzent@gmail.com" target="_blank">reduzent@gmail.com</a>></span>:<div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 20:49 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:<br>
> By the way, haven't been really able to make it work well with<br>
> [textfile]. If you get a symbol with $0-symbol from a text file, you<br>
> can't use it to work as an address for [send].<br>
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</div>Miller proposed to use the new [text] class introduced in 0.45, not the<br>
old [textfile]. I haven't checked myself, but according to him this<br>
would solve all your trouble as it allows - if I understand correctly -<br>
to take literal $0 strings that get expanded only at reading time. (Is<br>
that what you meant, Miller?)<br>
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