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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/29/2014 06:10 PM, Seb Shader via
Pd-list wrote:<br>
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size="2">Hello again list,</font>
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<div><font size="2"><span class="Apple-tab-span"
style="font-family: arial; white-space: pre;"> </span><font
face="arial">What do y'all think of the idea of
releasing Pd-extended both as a "core" pd with no
libraries added except maybe the libdir and hex loaders
and as a version with multiple libraries (2 release
stages)? Perhaps it's been discussed. the thing I enjoy
about Extended is the features it adds to pd-vanilla,
and this way people can just keep the same libraries
installed in the same places and switch between vanilla
and extended easier. In my experience I never need/want
to use most of the </font></font><span
style="font-family: arial; font-size: small;">arbitrary
libraries included and/or loaded on startup </span><span
style="font-family: arial; font-size: small;">and could
easily download and install the ones I do want. </span><span
style="font-family: arial; font-size: small;">I also see
the appeal/logic of using a standardized set of libs
though.</span></div>
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<div><font face="arial" size="2">seems like a reasonable way
to develop it too... everyone focusing on the core and
then working on their own libs for a bundled release.</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial" size="2">Also about import/saving
libraries to load on startup: wouldn't it make more sense
if either the list were editable or there were no list?
Strange that users get this arbitrary list to load on
startup, (not even all the libs included in PdX) without
being able to edit it, a set of libs that they never have
to [import], but then they're expected to [import]
everything else unless they manually edit the preferences
file (quite confusing for most users)?</font></div>
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Arbitrary or not, the users who learned Pd by using Pd-extended
exclusively assumed that these default loaded classes were the
"standard" libs that were available in Pd. So you have an enormous
number of patches and abstractions out there which do not use
[import] or [declare] to load libs (nor do they prefix the objects
with the libdir like [zexy/time] or [hcs/canvas_name].)<br>
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If you throw those default loaded libs down the memory hole, you end
up making all kinds of work for the user who wants to use an
arbitrary patch or abstraction-- maybe one from Pd forum, the
mailing list, an individual's website, a tutorial, or somewhere
else. That user very likely doesn't care about the "right" way to
load libs, or more sensible default behavior in the next release of
Pd-extended. They just want a patch or abstraction to load without
broken objects.<br>
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On the other hand-- I'm pretty sure you can edit the list, either in
the preferences file (named something like .pdsettings on a Linux
distro) or in the path and startup dialogs.<br>
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-Jonathan<br>
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<div><font size="2">Btw I also have a bit of time and know a
little bit of c and tcl, i'd be glad to pitch in where i
can when there is a concrete plan (list of to-do's) of how
to move forward with Pd-extended.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2"> -Sebastian</font></div>
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