<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>One last clarification-- I'm saying that I use the development process Chris outlines to do work on all flavors. What frustrated me on this thread is the idea of a process where the community suggests or votes for certain features, and Miller adds them. That model is too conservative-- it leads to fewer developers actually looking at the core code and (potentially) improving things.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;"><span>-Jonathan<br></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Friday, October 10, 2014 3:14 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <pd-list@lists.iem.at> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv0080926105"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv0080926105"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div style=""
class="yiv0080926105" id="yiv0080926105yui_3_16_0_8_1412919139647_4"><span style="" class="yiv0080926105" id="yiv0080926105yui_3_16_0_8_1412919139647_11">Hi Chris,<br> I've used the same development process for Pd-extended and Vanilla as I have with Pd-l2ork. It is pretty close to the general outline you gave in this thread. There is no difference in working relationship-- I send patches, write emails, test changes, say snarky things, etc.<br></span></div><br>But I'll happily work with you to improve Pd Vanilla and get as many improvements as possible from Pd-l2ork ported
into it. Which improvements you'd like to port.<br style="" class="yiv0080926105"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105">-Jonathan<br style="" class="yiv0080926105"><div id="yiv0080926105yui_3_16_0_1_1412919139647_28082" class="yiv0080926105qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display:block;" id="yiv0080926105yui_3_16_0_8_1412919139647_7" class="yiv0080926105yahoo_quoted"> <div id="yiv0080926105yui_3_16_0_1_1412919139647_28085" class="yiv0080926105" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv0080926105yui_3_16_0_1_1412919139647_28084" class="yiv0080926105" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="" class="yiv0080926105" dir="ltr"> <font style="" class="yiv0080926105" face="Arial" size="2"> On Friday, October 10, 2014 1:39 AM, Chris McCormick <chris@mccormick.cx> wrote:<br style=""
class="yiv0080926105"> </font> </div> <br style="" class="yiv0080926105"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105"> <div id="yiv0080926105yui_3_16_0_1_1412919139647_28083" style="" class="yiv0080926105">On 10/10/14 12:26, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">> That's all great advice in general. But then there's this thread<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">> in particular, where at least two perfectly capable developers chose to<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">> advocate for a trivial feature to be added to Pd rather than taking
10<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">> minutes to implement it and make a "small, clean, self contained patch"<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">> as you suggest. Why do you think that is?<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">My guess is that we all have busy lives outside Pd.<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">My first instinct was to do work that I will get paid for this morning<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">instead, but then I realised this may be an opportunity to change things<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">for the better in our community, and therefore for myself. Selfish!<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">Now my daughter will get a lump of coal for xmas and I will have to tell<br style=""
class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">her that it is because I spent all my time arguing with people on my<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">computer instead
of earning money.<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">> In the meantime I'll continue doing exactly the healthy development<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">> process you describe, in Pd-l2ork.<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">Sounds good! Nice one.<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">I realise that following the same process with Miller's Pd is more<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">difficult because Miller is more conservative about what he accepts into<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">Pd than Ico, and you have not built the same working relationship with<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">him. My hunch is that a greater number of users will benefit if you try<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">to follow
the same process on Miller's Pd as well.<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">I am not trying to coerce you.<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">Cheers,<div style="" class="yiv0080926105" id="yiv0080926105yqtfd69870"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">Chris.<br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none">-- <br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none"><a href="" rel="nofollow" style="" class="yiv0080926105 removed-link" shape="rect">http://mccormick.cx/</a><br style="" class="yiv0080926105" clear="none"></div><br style="" class="yiv0080926105"><br style="" class="yiv0080926105"></div> </div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br><a href="" class="removed-link"
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