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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/12/2014 09:33 AM, i go bananas
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<div dir="ltr">something i have thought for a LONG time, and i
guess a few others have too. <br>
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They are just too hard to use.
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<div>but they keep popping up in updates to pd, so it seems they
are still being worked on.</div>
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<div>couldn't that work be put to better use?</div>
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Yes, but as far as I can tell only in pd-l2ork, so if you are using
vanilla, you got nothing to worry about (in other words, AFAICT no
vanilla resources are being used by this aspect).<br>
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<div>like, for instance, on a native PD state saving system???<br>
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You can always try pd-l2ork's preset_hub and preset_node (it's
impossible to port to pd because it requires maintaining of the
gl_list stack between operations).<br>
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