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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/16/2014 10:55 PM, Alexandre
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      <div dir="ltr">my two cents is that the data structures are still
        a bit buggy to work on. Just hoped they'd be more stable, other
        than that, can't relate to the commotion, cheers <br>
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    What kinds of bugs are you running into?<br>
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    -Jonathan<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-13 13:45 GMT-02:00 Jonathan
          Wilkes via Pd-list <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                <div><span>It's certainly possible.  There's a Pd-l2ork
                    script for creating a "vanilla" tarball with the
                    l2ork changes in it, so I guess you could try
                    dropping the src and extra from that into libpd's
                    pure-data directory and see what happens.</span></div>
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                  I don't know much about libpd.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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                          <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On
                              Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:38 AM, i go
                              bananas <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                      what's the status of having a
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                                       is that possible?  </span></div>
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                                      for going off topic...but it is
                                      something i have wanted to ask for
                                      ages.  </span></div>
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                                    <div>On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:33
                                      PM, i go bananas <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                        <div dir="ltr">IOhannes, 
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                                          <div>that's kinda what i
                                            thought....</div>
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                                          <div>but really, come
                                            on...pd's interface is it's
                                            weakest point.  When miller
                                            started working on the data
                                            structures, libpd and all
                                            that didn't even exist.  But
                                            now, we can just farm out
                                            that sort of stuff to other
                                            programs.  <br clear="none">
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                                            Compared to the amount of
                                            effort it takes to learn
                                            them, and how effective they
                                            actually are, data
                                            structures are just too
                                            un-economical. </div>
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                                          <div>in nearly 15 years of
                                            their existence, i think i
                                            can still count on both
                                            hands how many good
                                            implementations of them i
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                                            look, i LOVE pd and couldn't
                                            live without it....but it
                                            just seems like any minute
                                            spent on data structures is
                                            a minute that could be way
                                            better spent on other
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                                              <div>On Thu, Nov 13, 2014
                                                at 3:54 AM, IOhannes m
                                                zmölnig <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                                <div><span>On 11/12/2014
                                                    03:33 PM, i go
                                                    bananas wrote:<br
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                                                    > couldn't that
                                                    work be put to
                                                    better use?<br
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                                                  </span>depends on your
                                                  definition of
                                                  "better".<br
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                                                  if i understand
                                                  correctly, "data
                                                  structures" have been
                                                  _the_ motivation<br
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                                                  for writing Pd (as
                                                  opposed to continue
                                                  with max), so i think
                                                  we owe them :-)<br
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                                                  gfmrdsa<br
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