<div dir="ltr">my two cents is that the data structures are still a bit buggy to work on. Just hoped they'd be more stable, other than that, can't relate to the commotion, cheers </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-13 13:45 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div><span>It's certainly possible. There's a Pd-l2ork script for creating a "vanilla" tarball with the l2ork changes in it, so I guess you could try dropping the src and extra from that into libpd's pure-data directory and see what happens.</span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal">But I don't know much about libpd.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><br><span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:16px;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal"><span>-Jonathan<br></span></div></font></span><div><div class="h5"> <div><br><br></div><div style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:38 AM, i go bananas <<a href="mailto:hard.off@gmail.com" target="_blank">hard.off@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px">in relation to Pd-l2ork,</span><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px">guys, what's the status of having a 'libpd' for </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px">l2ork??? is that possible? </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br clear="none"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px">sorry for going off topic...but it is something i have wanted to ask for ages. </span></div></div><div><br clear="none"><div><div>On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:33 PM, i go bananas <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">hard.off@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">IOhannes, <div><br clear="none"></div><div>that's kinda what i thought....</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>but really, come on...pd's interface is it's weakest point. When miller started working on the data structures, libpd and all that didn't even exist. But now, we can just farm
out that sort of stuff to other programs. <br clear="none"><br clear="none">Compared to the amount of effort it takes to learn them, and how effective they actually are, data structures are just too un-economical. </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>in nearly 15 years of their existence, i think i can still count on both hands how many good implementations of them i have seen.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">look, i LOVE pd and couldn't live without it....but it just seems like any minute spent on data structures is a minute that could be way better spent on other stuff. <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div><br clear="none"><div><div><div>On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:54 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">zmoelnig@iem.at</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><span>On 11/12/2014 03:33 PM, i go bananas wrote:<br clear="none">
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