<div dir="ltr">don't even remember cause I stopped messing with it because of them, but I did discuss about them sometime ago here on the list, with joão pais, the bottom line is that they were indeed buggy like that and that you had to cope with it.<div><br></div><div>cheers</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-11-17 2:50 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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a bit buggy to work on. Just hoped they'd be more stable, other
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script for creating a "vanilla" tarball with the
l2ork changes in it, so I guess you could try
dropping the src and extra from that into libpd's
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relation to Pd-l2ork,</span>
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what's the status of having a
'libpd' for </span><span>l2ork???
is that possible? </span></div>
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for going off topic...but it is
something i have wanted to ask for
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<div>but really, come
on...pd's interface is it's
weakest point. When miller
started working on the data
structures, libpd and all
that didn't even exist. But
now, we can just farm out
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Compared to the amount of
effort it takes to learn
them, and how effective they
actually are, data
structures are just too
un-economical. </div>
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<div>in nearly 15 years of
their existence, i think i
can still count on both
hands how many good
implementations of them i
have seen.<br clear="none">
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look, i LOVE pd and couldn't
live without it....but it
just seems like any minute
spent on data structures is
a minute that could be way
better spent on other
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if i understand
correctly, "data
structures" have been
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for writing Pd (as
opposed to continue
with max), so i think
we owe them :-)<br clear="none">
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