<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:16px"><div>Hey guys,</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Are there any plans to get toxy/tot included in pd-extended? I find it very useful.</div><div dir="ltr">Cheers,</div><div dir="ltr">Ed<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417773700783_81645"><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417773700783_81644"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417773700783_81621"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417773700783_81631">Ninja Jamm - a revolutionary new music remix app from Ninja Tune and Seeper, for iPhone and iPad<br>http://www.ninjajamm.com/</div><br><br><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1417773700783_81629">Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics!<br>http://sharktracks.co.uk/ </div></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Saturday, 6 December 2014, 10:00, Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">Hi Ivica, Jonathan,<br><br>Thanks for the response.<br><br>@Ivica:<br>> Why not simply use cyclone help patches provided in pd-l2ork that <br>> already conform to the pddp standard?<br><br>The pd-l2ork help patches with standard format indeed look much better<br>than the 'free-style' pd-extended patches. That is why I use these as a<br>base.<br>But I do not copy them directly for several reasons:<br><br>- the lack of curly lines in pd-extended make pd-l2ork formatted patches<br>a little less clean than possible,<br>- not all patches are correct, usually because the original had the problem,<br>- the pd META information is incorrect (probably copied from an pd-core<br>object),<br>- to learn as much as possible of these objects, I try then to see if<br>they work and how. This can lead to changes to the patch.<br><br>Of course a mass copy would be a fast way to improve cyclone help, but<br>with the long term goal in mind, I think this slow method could result<br>in better help files. Later I will see how they look in pd-vanilla and<br>pd-l2ork and make adjustments.<br><br>@Jonathan:<br>> But then Pd Vanilla aficionados might complain that to use cyclone they <br>> would be forced to also install the pddp library for [pddplink] and<br>> [helplink], because those objects do not ship with Pd Vanilla.<br>> Otherwise they would end up with a lot of broken objects in those<br>> help patches.<br>> <br>There seems to a 'rule' to make help-patches only dependent on vanilla<br>objects, and this makes sense. But maybe we can use a rich help-patch to<br>generate a vanilla-compliant one (see below).<br><br>> All the little Pd libraries in Debian don't help this problem, because <br>> not every GNU/Linux distribution uses apt. (Nor does OSX or Windows,<br>> for that matter.)<br>> <br>The other main distribution tool is rpm. It might be interesting to know<br>how much of the "Linux-market" uses either deb or rpm.<br>For Windows and OSX, there is no ready made solution yet. But other<br>software packages have a cross-platform package distribution system; the<br>examples I know are perl (ActiveState) and cygwin. But is probably not<br>trival to build or adapt something for Pd.<br><br>> Also, I believe Hans emailed awhile back asking if I'd do the work <br>> of removing the PDDP template boilerplate from the tutorial revisions <br>> I did. He wanted me to leave only the [pd META] subpatch, because<br>> that's evidently the only part Miller wanted to add to Vanilla.<br><br>Making help-patches as much as possible is also one of the modifications<br>I make to the pd-l2ork help-patches. So far I ignored the pddp code. But<br>removing the line with "pddp/pddplink" seems to work and this can be<br>scripted. But for pd environments that always have the complete set, it<br>is a great feature to have links.<br><br>Greetings,<br><br>Fred Jan<br><br>_______________________________________________<br><a ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br>UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br><br><br></div> </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>