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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'm with Dan,<br>
<br>
First of all, we need a svn/git/... repository with working
(multi-platform??) Makefiles. Then, we have to fix the help files
with a common style.<br>
<br>
Only after that we can start to think how to distribute/install
them on pd-[vanilla|l2ork].<br>
And stuff like defining metapackages like for example, synthesys,
filering, reverb, all, ... comes after.<br>
<br>
To Jonathan: Yes... pd-extended is very useful... and that's why
we are chatting about "extending" vanlilla. The main concern about
pd-extended is that is "apparently" non maintained anymore (please
tell me if I'm wrong!), and the core i synched to an old version
of pd! A non maintained software, IMHO, means a dead software...<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Alessio<br>
<br>
On 20/12/2014 23:17, Dan Wilcox wrote:<br>
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Oi, no. That’s putting the cart before the horse. IMO It makes
more sense to break up the externals in the svn to separate repos
with working Makefiles. Once we know they’re all working and have
an easy way to install binaries like Max, then we could go to the
next level. Baby steps. If I wasn’t in the middle of my thesis
writing right now, I would have done it as a test to Github
already.
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<div class="">Besides, requiring beginners to install Fink
(Homebrew is much nicer than Fink or MacPorts anyway) is going
in the opposite direction. If we really wanted to make that
work, it would require distributing apt and it’s required
libraries in binary from with Pd on OSX and Windows. Yeah, I
don’t see that happening :P<br class="">
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--------<br class="">
Dan Wilcox<br class="">
@danomatika<br class="">
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class="">danomatika.com</a><br class="">
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<div class="">On Dec 20, 2014, at 2:39 PM, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at" class="">pd-list-request@lists.iem.at</a>
wrote:</div>
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class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span
style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica
Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Fred Jan
Kraan <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl" class="">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>><br
class="">
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class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span
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Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
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class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span
style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica
Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">December 20,
2014 at 2:29:30 PM EST<br class="">
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class="">Subject:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><span
style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica
Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Re:
[PD] [Bulk] Extending Vanilla (was Cyclone help
patches & issue list)</b><br class="">
</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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class="">On 2014-12-20 19:09, IOhannes m zmölnig
wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica;
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<blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica;
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">On
12/18/2014 10:13 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
wrote:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">If there is a
cross-platform repository system out there that is
well-tested and built to be _more_ secure than apt
(i.e., defense against replay attacks in the
original design), perhaps it could be leveraged.<br
class="">
Unfortunately I don't know anything about binary
repo systems, other than Debian's.<br class="">
-Jonathan<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class="">
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On Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:04 PM, Fred Jan
Kraan <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl" class="">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
<br class="">
<br class="">
On 2014-12-18 20:34, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote:<br
class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">On 12/18/2014 08:16
PM, Samuel Burt wrote:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">1. Opening a
patch with [import cyclone] would automatically
download the<br class="">
</blockquote>
<br class="">
i *strongly* oppose to anything that automatically
connects to the<br class="">
internet and fetches or submits data.<br class="">
</blockquote>
<br class="">
And the Pd-community currently does not have the
resources to build<br class="">
something that is similar or more advanced than the
Debian distribution<br class="">
system and preferably be cross platform.<br class="">
</blockquote>
<br class="">
<br class="">
so why not use apt?<br class="">
<br class="">
i mean, we could build on top of apt to do something
"more" cross platform.<br class="">
Debian (and thus apt) already handles multiple
architectures and<br class="">
"operating systems" (well: kernels), so we just need a
few others archs:<br class="">
- w32-i386<br class="">
- w32-amd64<br class="">
- osx-i386<br class="">
- osx-amd64<br class="">
<br class="">
this would of course mean porting (parts of) apt to
w32/osx (and i have<br class="">
no clue how much work *that* means)<br class="">
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<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
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class="">Porting apt would indeed solve the
Pd-distribution problem, and maybe</span><br
style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
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0px;" class="">
<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows:
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; float: none; display: inline !important;"
class="">for more cross-platform packages.</span><br
style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
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0px;" class="">
<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows:
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;" class="">
<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows:
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; float: none; display: inline !important;"
class="">For MacOSX, the Fink package is based on
Debian tools</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica;
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">
<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows:
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; float: none; display: inline !important;"
class="">(</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.finkproject.org/" style="font-family:
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans:
auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows:
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;" class="">http://www.finkproject.org/</a><span
style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows:
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; float: none; display: inline !important;"
class="">). So that leaves Windows.</span><br
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<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
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text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">From the
distant past I remember Inno Setup is free and usable<br
class="">
</blockquote>
<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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class="">(</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php"
style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
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0px;" class="">http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php</a><span
style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows:
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; float: none; display: inline !important;"
class="">). As long as there is no native</span><br
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0px;" class="">
<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows:
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class="">apt for Windows that could do...</span><br
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0px;" class="">
<br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows:
auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px;" class="">
<span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight:
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal;
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text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows:
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class="">Somehow, it looks a bit less abstract now
:-).</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica;
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fgmrds<br class="">
IOhannes<br class="">
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