<div dir="ltr">yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is that, I'm on mac os and extended 42, any idea? <div><br></div><div>I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed about them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only got 3 out of these, whixh are: <span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><~, </span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">>~ and </span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">==~</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: </span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">!-, !/, </span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> </span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">!-~, !/~,</span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> !=~, <=~, >=~, %~, +=~</span></div><div><div><br></div><div>I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I didn't know about.<br></div></div><div><br></div><div>So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried loading them with it and nothing happened. </div><div><br></div><div>It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why can't you just get their code and make it available outside [maxmode]?</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Alexandre,<br>
<br>
The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before:<br>
!-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~<br>
They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be<br>
part of your distribution. The source code is in<br>
externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name.<br>
<br>
As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important to make<br>
them available again.<br>
<br>
Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page:<br>
<a href="http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html" target="_blank">http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html</a>.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
<br>
Fred Jan<br>
<br>
On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:<br>
> So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for more<br>
> compability.<br>
><br>
> Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with several<br>
> objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome. It serves<br>
> well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding opening<br>
> the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very<br>
> incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about forcing<br>
> any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have been<br>
> reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and everything,<br>
> seems pointless.<br>
><br>
> More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious to me that<br>
> no human being is using this...<br>
><br>
> Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are these?<br>
><br>
> cheers<br>
><br>
> 2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>>>:<br>
><br>
> Hi Alexandre,<br>
><br>
> >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related<br>
> >> library objects will not be build anymore.<br>
> ><br>
> > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right?<br>
><br>
> What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops<br>
> "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle libraries. The<br>
> hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are also available<br>
> as separate objects.<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode] thing/object, can<br>
> > you give us an example on how to use it?<br>
><br>
> As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is to make<br>
> importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more convenient. The dummy<br>
> objects do not do anything, but the patch will load without errors. The<br>
> idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other objects. The<br>
> dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in Pd-vanilla or cyclone.<br>
><br>
> It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but that is a<br>
> long time ago.<br>
><br>
> The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I made a copy just<br>
> in time:<br>
> <a href="http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html" target="_blank">http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html</a>.<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > cheers<br>
><br>
> Greetings,<br>
><br>
> Fred Jan<br>
> ><br>
> > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>>>>:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi All,<br>
> ><br>
> > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and functionality of the<br>
> > Cyclone library?<br>
> ><br>
> > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make importing of Max/MSP<br>
> > patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6 patches, already<br>
> > supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file formats. In<br>
> > addition several binop signal objects are loaded, the message and<br>
> > signal objects are loaded from library objects. Normal cyclone usage<br>
> > are individual objects.<br>
> ><br>
> > Because we are planning to switch to a new build system, usable for all<br>
> > Puredata external libraries, it would be an opportunity to simplify the<br>
> > building process and remove potential unused functionality.<br>
> ><br>
> > No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and related library<br>
> > objects will not be build anymore.<br>
> ><br>
> > Fred Jan<br>
> ><br>
> > P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line sometime this year, but<br>
> > here is a copy:<br>
> > <a href="http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html" target="_blank">http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html</a><br>
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