<div dir="ltr">> <span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> I try </span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">to keep the current state of cyclone here:</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">> <a href="http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55</a><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"> </span><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">> (never mind </span><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">the 55, it wouldn't go away).</span><br style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">hmm, but I see it still has alpha55 there</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">great news about the rest</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">really excited about this update</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-06-12 3:34 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Alexandre,<br>
<span class=""><br>
> Howdy, maybe this got lost amongst the millions of message I've been<br>
> sending, sorry to insist, but I'm really curious about it.<br>
><br>
> Moreover, as long as we're on it, I've been creating some abstractions<br>
> as clones of max objects, I was able to do most of these nestles, and<br>
> also [scale] / [scale~] and I just did [rect~] and [tri~]. I wonder if I<br>
> could propose them to be included in cyclone, or if it has to be objects.<br>
<br>
</span>The last days I have been looking at what could be done with the<br>
original nettles. In the end it was quite simple to get them working as<br>
a library object and create a suitable help-patch. Both are checked in<br>
in svn, but the original cyclone build system will not build the<br>
library. Katja created a new makefile system as a drop-in replacement<br>
for the Pd-extended build system, which will be checked in soon.<br>
<br>
I will try to create new binary distributions, usable with the<br>
deken-plugin somewhere next week. These will contain the nettles. I try<br>
to keep the current state of cyclone here:<br>
<a href="http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://puredata.info/downloads/cyclone/releases/0.1-alpha55</a> (never mind<br>
the 55, it wouldn't go away).<br>
<br>
Any object or abstraction that implements something present in Max(5)<br>
could be part of cyclone.<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
<br>
Fred Jan<br>
<span class="">><br>
> 2015-06-07 9:41 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a><br>
</span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>>>:<br>
<span class="">><br>
> yeah, I can't load these objects for some reason, I wonder why is<br>
> that, I'm on mac os and extended 42, any idea?<br>
><br>
> I didn't know they were in cyclone... But I remember we discussed<br>
> about them, not all of them are part of zexy actually. Zexy's only<br>
> got 3 out of these, whixh are: <~, >~ and ==~<br>
><br>
> It doesn't have the remaining 9 objects: !-, !/, !-~, !/~, !=~,<br>
> <=~, >=~, %~, +=~<br>
><br>
> I think it's nice to have them, specially the [+=~] object which I<br>
> didn't know about.<br>
><br>
> So, the [maxmode] object loads these other objects, huh? I tried<br>
> loading them with it and nothing happened.<br>
><br>
> It seems weird to me that they have to depend on [maxmode], why<br>
> can't you just get their code and make it available outside [maxmode]?<br>
><br>
> cheers<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2015-06-07 8:55 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a><br>
</span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>>>:<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">><br>
> Hi Alexandre,<br>
><br>
> The nettles are the cyclone bin-ops objects we discussed before:<br>
> !-, !/, ==~, !=~, <~, <=~, >~, >=~, !-~, !/~, %~, +=~<br>
> They are part of the cyclone library object, which may or may not be<br>
> part of your distribution. The source code is in<br>
> externals/miXed/cyclone/shadow/nettles.c, hence the name.<br>
><br>
> As it is a subset of what is in zexy, it is not very important<br>
> to make<br>
> them available again.<br>
><br>
> Here a link to my copy of the original cyclone page:<br>
> <a href="http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html</a>.<br>
><br>
> Greetings,<br>
><br>
> Fred Jan<br>
><br>
> On 2015-06-06 01:06 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:<br>
> > So [maxmode] basically loads useless empty "dummy" objects for<br>
> more<br>
> > compability.<br>
> ><br>
> > Well, my two cents is that the idea of having a library with<br>
> several<br>
> > objects that exist in Max and not in Pd is great and awesome.<br>
> It serves<br>
> > well in making both worlds somewhat compatible. But regarding<br>
> opening<br>
> > the same files/patches, MAX and PD are just growing out to be very<br>
> > incompatible projects, so it's rather healthy to forget about<br>
> forcing<br>
> > any compatibility of this type - it's just insane. It may have<br>
> been<br>
> > reasonable back in MAX 4.6, but nowadays, with MAX 7 and<br>
> everything,<br>
> > seems pointless.<br>
> ><br>
> > More than that, to answer your question, it's pretty obvious<br>
> to me that<br>
> > no human being is using this...<br>
> ><br>
> > Now, please tell about these /bin-ops //"nettles"/, what are<br>
> these?<br>
> ><br>
> > cheers<br>
> ><br>
> > 2015-06-05 18:15 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>><br>
</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>>>>:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi Alexandre,<br>
> ><br>
> > >> No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and<br>
> related<br>
> > >> library objects will not be build anymore.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > So it'll remove many objects from the library, right?<br>
> ><br>
> > What will be removed is the actual maxmode object, the bin-ops<br>
> > "nettles", ~150 dummy objects and the hammer and sickle<br>
> libraries. The<br>
> > hammer and sickle libraries contain the objects which are<br>
> also available<br>
> > as separate objects.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I'm having a hard time understanding this [maxmode]<br>
> thing/object, can<br>
> > > you give us an example on how to use it?<br>
> ><br>
> > As I understand it, the purpose of the [maxmode] object is<br>
> to make<br>
> > importing and converting Max/MSP 4.6 patches more<br>
> convenient. The dummy<br>
> > objects do not do anything, but the patch will load<br>
> without errors. The<br>
> > idea is to replace the dummies with abstractions or other<br>
> objects. The<br>
> > dummies were the objects in Max/MSP4.6 but not in<br>
> Pd-vanilla or cyclone.<br>
> ><br>
> > It might have made sense when Max/MSP 4.6 were common, but<br>
> that is a<br>
> > long time ago.<br>
> ><br>
> > The original cyclone page is gone from the site, but I<br>
> made a copy just<br>
> > in time:<br>
> ><br>
> <a href="http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html</a>.<br>
> ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > cheers<br>
> ><br>
> > Greetings,<br>
> ><br>
> > Fred Jan<br>
> > ><br>
> > > 2015-05-01 17:48 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan<br>
> <<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>>>>>:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Hi All,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Is anyone using the 'maxmode' object and<br>
> functionality of the<br>
> > > Cyclone library?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > The maxmode adds 162 dummy objects, which make<br>
> importing of Max/MSP<br>
> > > patches more convenient. Note these are Max/MSP 4.6<br>
> patches, already<br>
> > > supported in Pd-vanilla, not the more recent file<br>
> formats. In<br>
> > > addition several binop signal objects are loaded,<br>
> the message and<br>
> > > signal objects are loaded from library objects.<br>
> Normal cyclone usage<br>
> > > are individual objects.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Because we are planning to switch to a new build<br>
> system, usable for all<br>
> > > Puredata external libraries, it would be an<br>
> opportunity to simplify the<br>
> > > building process and remove potential unused<br>
> functionality.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > No code will be removed, just the maxmode object and<br>
> related library<br>
> > > objects will not be build anymore.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Fred Jan<br>
> > ><br>
> > > P.S. The original cyclone page went off-line<br>
> sometime this year, but<br>
> > > here is a copy:<br>
> > ><br>
> <a href="http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://fjkraan.home.xs4all.nl/digaud/puredata/cyclone/cyclone_site/cyclone.html</a><br>
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