<div dir="ltr">I see, now it makes sense :)<br><br>> <span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">I think it doesn't need to be perfect</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">You know what? Me too, haha</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">take care</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-06-20 5:43 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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On 2015-06-19 06:37 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:<br>
>> But please do not work on cyclone and<br>
>> break the Max/MSP compatibility.<br>
><br>
> Howdy... Of course! Agreed! But not sure about the purpose of this<br>
> remark considering what was being discussed with [rampsmooth~] and all -<br>
<br>
</span>I asked Hans off-list about reorganizing the cyclone source tree in the<br>
svn repositry. I thought it could use some maintenance, but wasn't sure<br>
it was a good idea.<br>
<span class=""><br>
> it was for the sake of compatibility. We're actually being very strict<br>
> to make it exactly like Max here. For example, I've just mentioned<br>
> [slide~] should have control inlets instead of audio inlets like it has.<br>
> The fact that it also accepts audio signal doesn't break the<br>
> compatibility, and might be nicer, but I guess it needs to be that way<br>
> for it to be a proper clone.<br>
<br>
</span>Having signal inlets, means it works with control messages too. So it<br>
won't break compatibility, IMHO. I think it doesn't need to be perfect,<br>
as long as it close enough and usable too.<br>
<br>
><br>
> cheers<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
<br>
Fred Jan<br>
<span class="">><br>
> 2015-06-19 11:43 GMT-03:00 Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a><br>
</span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>>>:<br>
<span class="">><br>
><br>
> About maintaining cyclone, I think a reorg would be great, and further<br>
> maintenance as well. If you want to do whatever you want with it,<br>
> then just<br>
> make a fork and work on it as a new<br>
> name. If you want to stick to cyclone's central goal of Max/MSP<br>
> compatibility, then keep working on it as cyclone. But please do<br>
> not work on<br>
> cyclone and break the Max/MSP compatibility.<br>
><br>
> .hc<br>
><br>
> Alexandre Torres Porres:<br>
> > About the [rampsmooth~], I see the new object is corrected, great! One<br>
> > thing though, I just realized how it has no audio signal inlets<br>
> for the<br>
> > arguments!!! It was supposed to have them, just like [slide~] does.<br>
> ><br>
> > cheers<br>
> ><br>
> > 2015-06-07 7:28 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a><br>
</span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>>>:<br>
<div><div class="h5">> ><br>
> >> Hi Jan,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Thanks for pointing this out. I had seen the logic juggling with<br>
> >> RAMPSMOOTH_GEOMETRIC and RAMPSMOOTH_LINEAR, but hadn't came to the<br>
> >> conclusion the default behaviour was incorrect. I changed the<br>
> code for<br>
> >> now, but could make the change possible at run-time, as it was<br>
> intended.<br>
> >> But as we already have [slide~] for this, it is not very needed.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Greetings,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Fred Jan<br>
> >><br>
> >> On 2015-06-07 11:33 AM, Jan Baumgart wrote:<br>
> >>> Actually, the linear version is already in cyclone's code.<br>
> >>> You can choose at compile time by not setting<br>
> >>> #define RAMPSMOOTH_GEOMETRIC<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> cheers,<br>
> >>> jan<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On 06/06/2015 10:26 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:<br>
> >>>> I have another bug to report, now in [rampsmooth~].<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> According to its help file, it should generate a linear ramp,<br>
> but it<br>
> >>>> doesn't. Instead, it generates a logarithmic curve just like<br>
> [slide~]. I<br>
> >>>> have attached a picture that shows how both are operating in<br>
> the same<br>
> >>>> way, where they shouldn't.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> In MAX, [rampsmooth~] does in fact generate a perfectly linear<br>
> ramp,<br>
> >>>> unlike [slide~].<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> I was actually able to implement [slide~] only with [fexpr~],<br>
> making it<br>
> >>>> 100% compatible to vanilla. If there's a filter formula tht<br>
> generates<br>
> >>>> perfectly linear ramps I can implement it I guess, but it should be<br>
> >>>> fairly easy to change it in the object. I'll see what I can do<br>
> to help.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> cheers<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> 2015-06-05 18:08 GMT-03:00 Dan Wilcox <<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a>><br>
</div></div>> >>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a>>>>:<br>
<span class="">> >>>><br>
> >>>> [m_scale] is an abstraction ...<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> --------<br>
> >>>> Dan Wilcox<br>
> >>>> @danomatika <<a href="https://twitter.com/danomatika" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/danomatika</a>><br>
</span>> >>>> <a href="http://danomatika.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">danomatika.com</a> <<a href="http://danomatika.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://danomatika.com</a>> <<a href="http://danomatika.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://danomatika.com</a>><br>
<span class="">> >>>> <a href="http://robotcowboy.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">robotcowboy.com</a> <<a href="http://robotcowboy.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://robotcowboy.com</a>><br>
> <<a href="http://robotcowboy.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://robotcowboy.com</a>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 5:05 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres<br>
> >>>>> <<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>><br>
</span><span class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Yeah, I already built it with expr, so I don't really need to<br>
> >>>>> download etxernals for that. I was just wondering if extended<br>
> >>>>> already had such a thing, and it doesn't, so I think it's<br>
> a nice<br>
> >>>>> addon to cyclone.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> An addon to cyclone would implicate and addon to extended, but<br>
> >>>>> then, it's not clear it'll ever be maintained again. Last time<br>
> >>>>> anyone talked about it in this list was 6 months ago...<br>
> one way or<br>
> >>>>> another, seems like a nice addon to cyclone.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Maybe it could be just an abstraction and it doesn't have<br>
> to be a<br>
> >>>>> compiled object, I see the point. But I'd like to try and<br>
> code it<br>
> >>>>> as an external into the cyclone library if possible.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> cheers<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> 2015-06-05 17:50 GMT-03:00 Dan Wilcox<br>
> <<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a>><br>
</span>> >>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a>>>>:<br>
<span class="">> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> See [m_scale] in rjlib:<br>
> >>>>> <a href="https://github.com/rjdj/rjlib/tree/master/rj" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/rjdj/rjlib/tree/master/rj</a><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> --------<br>
> >>>>> Dan Wilcox<br>
> >>>>> @danomatika <<a href="https://twitter.com/danomatika" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/danomatika</a>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://danomatika.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">danomatika.com</a> <<a href="http://danomatika.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://danomatika.com</a>><br>
</span>> <<a href="http://danomatika.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://danomatika.com/</a>><br>
> >>>>> <a href="http://robotcowboy.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">robotcowboy.com</a> <<a href="http://robotcowboy.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://robotcowboy.com</a>><br>
<span class="">> <<a href="http://robotcowboy.com/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://robotcowboy.com/</a>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:35 PM,<br>
> <a href="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at">pd-list-request@lists.iem.at</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at">pd-list-request@lists.iem.at</a>><br>
</span>> >>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at">pd-list-request@lists.iem.at</a><br>
<span class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at">pd-list-request@lists.iem.at</a>>> wrote:<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> *From:*Alexandre Torres Porres <<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>><br>
</span>> >>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>>>><br>
<span class="">> >>>>>> *Subject:**Re: [PD] Update cyclone maintenance*<br>
> >>>>>> *Date:*June 5, 2015 at 4:34:55 PM EDT<br>
> >>>>>> *To:*Fred Jan Kraan <<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>><br>
</span>> >>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>>>><br>
> >>>>>> *Cc:*"<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><br>
<span class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>>>"<br>
> >>>>>> <<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>><br>
</span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>>>><br>
<span class="">> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> I'm voting for a new [scale] and [scale~] object in<br>
> cyclone,<br>
> >>>>>> the second is missing completely in extended, the<br>
> first is<br>
> >>>>>> around, but in different versions, like<br>
> [maxlib/scale], which<br>
> >>>>>> has a log option, and is actually buggy, and the<br>
> >>>>>> [expr_scale], which is just an expr abstraction.<br>
> Seems like<br>
> >>>>>> very simple externals to make and I could go ahead<br>
> and code<br>
> >>>>>> them. I think they'd be really useful. For example,<br>
> [scale~]<br>
> >>>>>> would be essential to adjust the amplitude range from<br>
> LFOs to<br>
> >>>>>> control your patches. the [scale] would be good for<br>
> adjusting<br>
> >>>>>> MIDI input.<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> cheers<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
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