<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_30719">Hi Spencer,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_30720">The onset is in bytes, hence the cast to (char *). I'm just wondering why we're measuring things in bytes since an onset must always lie on a t_word boundary.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_30721"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_30722">Thanks,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_30723">Jonathan<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_30724"><span></span></div> <br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, August 17, 2015 2:29 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9189267374"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv9189267374"><div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8299"><div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8298" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv9189267374"><div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439833923099_25680"><div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439833923099_25679" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_12164">I guess what I'm saying is that sc_vec is a loaf of bread, and the slices are t_word wide. So why are we doing the bookeeping (i.e., jumping to a particular location) in units smaller than one slice?</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_16967"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_17985">-Jonathan<br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv9189267374qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439833923099_25678"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv9189267374yqt2299416630" id="yiv9189267374yqt66806"></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv9189267374yqt8074937171" id="yiv9189267374yqt13140"><div class="yiv9189267374yqt7384251835" id="yiv9189267374yqt61278"><div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8297"> <div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8296" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8295" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8373"> <font id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8374" face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, August 17, 2015 1:54 PM, Forrest Curo <treegestalt@gmail.com> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv9189267374y_msg_container" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8294"><div id="yiv9189267374"><div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8293"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8372">*char is guaranteed to be the same size as a 'char', 8 bits -- but if you're treating t_word as an array of char's, you can get into t_word and process it in 8 bit chunks.<br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv9189267374gmail_extra" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8292"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv9189267374gmail_quote" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8291">On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <span dir="ltr" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8355"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8354" ymailto="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv9189267374gmail_quote" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8290" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv9189267374yqt0187918720" id="yiv9189267374yqt34660"><div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8289"><div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8288" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8353">Ah, ok-- I forgot my pointer arithmetic rules.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8352">Once I remembered how it works, I still wasn't understanding how you could be doing pointer arithmetic with byte granularity when t_word is wider than 1 byte. But then I see from template_find_field you are multiplying the onset by sizeof(t_word).</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8371"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8300">So now, further down the rabbit hole of knowledge, I'm wondering why you multiply by sizeof(t_word) at all. If you didn't, couldn't the (char *) cast go away?<span class="yiv9189267374HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><span class="yiv9189267374HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font></span><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8287"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_12162">-Jonathan<br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8361"><div class="yiv9189267374h5" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8360"><div><span></span></div> <br clear="none"><div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_12163"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8359" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8358" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8357" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, August 17, 2015 12:24 PM, Miller Puckette <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu">msp@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8356">I don't thing the width of (char *) enters into it (it's a pointer, 8 chars in <br clear="none">64 bit addr space) - the direct contrast to be made is (char) vs (t_word).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Not sure if that answers the question though...<br clear="none"><br clear="none">cheers<br clear="none">M<br clear="none"><div id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8362"><br clear="none">On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 03:52:27PM +0000, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:<br clear="none">> Thanks, I think I'm getting it.<br clear="none">> So is char* guaranteed to be the same width as sizeof(t_word)? If so, are you just using it as a shorthand?<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Thanks,<br clear="none">> Jonathan<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Monday, August 17, 2015 11:31 AM, Miller Puckette <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu">msp@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Here's an example...<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> #include <stdio.h><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> float foo[2];<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> main()<br clear="none">> {<br clear="none">> printf("foo = %p\n", foo); <br clear="none">> printf("incremented as float: %p\n", foo+1);<br clear="none">> printf("incremented as (char *): %p\n", ((char *)foo)+1);<br clear="none">> }<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> ---><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> foo = 0x601038<br clear="none">> incremented as float: 0x60103c<br clear="none">> incremented as (char *): 0x601039<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Adding an integer to a pointer "increments" it - the effect depends on the type<br clear="none">> of pointer. Another way to think of it is that foo[1], say, is semantically<br clear="none">> identical to *(foo+1).<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> cheers<br clear="none">> Miller<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 03:10:35PM +0000, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:<br clear="none">> > But we're dealing with an array of t_words, so onset*sizeof(t_word) is what we want anyway, no?<br clear="none">> > -Jonathan <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > On Monday, August 17, 2015 10:55 AM, Claude Heiland-Allen <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:claude@mathr.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:claude@mathr.co.uk">claude@mathr.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > On 17/08/15 15:36, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:<br clear="none">> > > Hi list,Wondering if someone will give me a free lesson in C programming.<br clear="none">> > > In g_traversal.c, there's some code to retrieve a float from a t_word* vec. It looks like this:<br clear="none">> > > *(t_float *)(((char *)vec) + onset));<br clear="none">> > > Why does vec need to be cast to char*? t_word has to be as big as the largest member of the union, and the largest member has to be the same size as char*, right? (Otherwise we'd have big problems...)<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > aiui pointer arithmetic is in increments of sizeof(pointee)<br clear="none">> > if onset is measured in bytes (I don't know if it is in this case, but <br clear="none">> > it looks likely), then you need to have a pointer to bytes for the <br clear="none">> > addition to be meaningful. vec is already a pointer, but adding onset <br clear="none">> > to a t_word* would offset the address by onset*sizeof(t_word) bytes<br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> > <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br clear="none">> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> > <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> > _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> > <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br clear="none">> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none"><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br clear="none">> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv9189267374yui_3_16_0_1_1439835143976_8363" target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div></div></div><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">
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