<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_3649">Hi Frank,</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_3648">The [1, 0 50( message will almost always trigger different</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_3655">output when fed to [line~] and [vline~]. The only exception</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_4246" dir="ltr">is when the ramp ends exactly on a block boundary--</div><div dir="ltr">otherwise [line~] will stretch the final part of the ramp to</div><div dir="ltr">the block boundary.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_4005" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_4006" dir="ltr">In fact, I'm willing to bet that if visualized this [line~]</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_4136" dir="ltr">quantization to new users at the outset they'd almost</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_4137" dir="ltr">always use [vline~]. After all, who wants imperfect lines? :)</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_4321" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_4322" dir="ltr">-Jonathan<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_4004" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_3923" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443303772489_3582"><span></span></div> <br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:57 PM, Frank Barknecht <fbar@footils.org> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container">Hi,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 11:24:40PM +0900, i go bananas wrote:<br clear="none">> In that case, maybe an even simpler question:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> What is the difference between sending a [1, 0 50( message to vline as<br clear="none">> opposed to line ?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">There will only be a difference in how line~ and vline~ react to this message<br clear="none">when the message was triggered by something with a "clock" inside. These kinds<br clear="none">of messages are called clock-delayed messages.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Clock-delayed messages originate in objects like [metro] or [delay] or [qlist].<br clear="none">Messages that originate for example in mouse clicks are not clock-delayed (i.e.<br clear="none">if you click a [bng] or move a slider). <br clear="none"><br clear="none">vline~ evaluates clock delayed message with high, sub-sample timing accuracy.<br clear="none">line~ quantizes even clock delayed messages to block-boundaries or to 64<br clear="none">samples, I'm not sure ATM which it is. But line~ quantizes.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">So depending on when the message was issued any by what, the ramp generators<br clear="none">may act the same or different.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Try delaying the message: <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> [bang(<br clear="none"> |<br clear="none"> [delay 0.3]<div class="yqt3908624072" id="yqtfd23774"><br clear="none"> |<br clear="none"> [1. 0 50(</div><br clear="none"> |<br clear="none"> [line~ or vline~]<br clear="none"> |<br clear="none"> [print~]<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Ciao<br clear="none">-- <br clear="none"> Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__<br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br clear="none">UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a shape="rect" href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><div class="yqt3908624072" id="yqtfd93091"><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>