<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div>I tend to use [vline~] in those cases because-- to my ears-- it sounds warmer.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443312658833_3324" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443312658833_3323" dir="ltr">(I so wanted to click send, but I have to come clean and say I'm just kidding.)</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443312658833_3761" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443312658833_3792" dir="ltr">-Jonathan<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1443312658833_2938"><span></span></div> <br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Saturday, September 26, 2015 7:46 PM, Matt Barber <brbrofsvl@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv9405655019"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv9405655019gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Well, obviously it depends on what you want to use the lines for. If it's just to fade something in or out over 10-50 ms to avoid a discontinuity, it's not that big a deal. Moreover sometimes it's great to have the ends and beginnings of ramps happen at block boundaries; e.g. when [switch~]ing off a subpatch or abstraction in a synth bank at the end of a quick fade, it's nice to know that you can target things to boundaries without having to try too hard.</div></div><div class="yiv9405655019gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv9405655019gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <span dir="ltr"><<a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv9405655019gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv9405655019yqt3314912961" id="yiv9405655019yqt13118"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div>Hi Frank,</div><div>The [1, 0 50( message will almost always trigger different</div><div dir="ltr">output when fed to [line~] and [vline~]. The only exception</div><div dir="ltr">is when the ramp ends exactly on a block boundary--</div><div dir="ltr">otherwise [line~] will stretch the final part of the ramp to</div><div dir="ltr">the block boundary.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">In fact, I'm willing to bet that if visualized this [line~]</div><div dir="ltr">quantization to new users at the outset they'd almost</div><div dir="ltr">always use [vline~]. After all, who wants imperfect lines? :)</div><span class="yiv9405655019HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font></span><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">-Jonathan<br clear="none"></div><div><div class="yiv9405655019h5"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div><span></span></div> <br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:57 PM, Frank Barknecht <<a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:fbar@footils.org" target="_blank">fbar@footils.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div>Hi,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 11:24:40PM +0900, i go bananas wrote:<br clear="none">> In that case, maybe an even simpler question:<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> What is the difference between sending a [1, 0 50( message to vline as<br clear="none">> opposed to line ?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">There will only be a difference in how line~ and vline~ react to this message<br clear="none">when the message was triggered by something with a "clock" inside. These kinds<br clear="none">of messages are called clock-delayed messages.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Clock-delayed messages originate in objects like [metro] or [delay] or [qlist].<br clear="none">Messages that originate for example in mouse clicks are not clock-delayed (i.e.<br clear="none">if you click a [bng] or move a slider). <br clear="none"><br clear="none">vline~ evaluates clock delayed message with high, sub-sample timing accuracy.<br clear="none">line~ quantizes even clock delayed messages to block-boundaries or to 64<br clear="none">samples, I'm not sure ATM which it is. But line~ quantizes.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">So depending on when the message was issued any by what, the ramp generators<br clear="none">may act the same or different.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Try delaying the message: <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> [bang(<br clear="none"> |<br clear="none"> [delay 0.3]<div><br clear="none"> |<br clear="none"> [1. 0 50(</div><br clear="none"> |<br clear="none"> [line~ or vline~]<br clear="none"> |<br clear="none"> [print~]<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Ciao<br clear="none">-- <br clear="none"> Frank Barknecht _ ______footils.org__<br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none"><a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br clear="none">UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div></div></div><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">
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