<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">[partconv~] ought to do this as well, but with some discontinuity or dropout on repartition, depending on the kernel size. I agree there ought to be a clear method for [delwrite~].</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Christof Ressi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">>> we have to clean the delay buffers somehow<br>
>> Now, can you do that in pd?<br>
<br>
</span>That's a good question!<br>
<br>
What you could do is to build a custom delay line with tables and then sum them as you need.<br>
<br>
In meantime: Here's a classic FIR solution for a moving average filter (the maximum size is hard coded to 256, but you can change this). Here you can set the number of samples dynamically with clearly less distortion. Note though, that this kind of filter becomes more and more computationally expensive for large numbers of samples (anything above 256), because FIR~ (from iemlib) performs time domain convolution.<br>
<br>
The recursive version with [z~] and [rpole~] is certainly the cheapest and fastest of all, but there's nothing like a free meal :-).<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
<br>
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 08. Dezember 2015 um 19:10 Uhr<br>
<span class="">Von: "Alexandre Torres Porres" <<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>><br>
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</span>Betreff: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PD] Moving Sum object?<br>
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> I'm not sure why the other patches don't work but this does.<br>
<br>
I got it, you'd need to clear the other delay buffers as well, not the feedback only!<br>
<br>
so we can do this with fexpr~ for up half the block size, we could expand this limit with delay lines, but if we want to do it with delay lines, we have to clean the delay buffers somehow<br>
<br>
Now, can you do that in pd?<br>
<br>
2015-12-08 15:54 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
I just wish we could make it work over the half block limit, and I'm not sure why the other patches don't work but this does.<br>
<br>
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</span><span class="">2015-12-08 15:53 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>[<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>]>:<br>
here's a better patch <br>
<br>
<br>
</span><span class="">2015-12-08 15:44 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>[<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>]>:<br>
<br>
I've made it work with this design in fexpr, but it's only good up to half the block size<br>
<br>
<br>
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</span><span class="">2015-12-08 15:21 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>[<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>]>:<br>
As I say in the attached patch; problem is that whenever you change the number of samples without clearing or clearing the filter, it goes crazy...<br>
<br>
not sure how to fix this.<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span>2015-12-08 10:40 GMT-02:00 Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]>:the filter is working perfectly well for me. send me your testing patch.<br>
<span class=""> <br>
<br>
<br>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 08. Dezember 2015 um 13:36 Uhr<br>
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</span><span class="">Betreff: Re: Re: Re: [PD] Moving Sum object?<br>
<br>
not sure this is working either, I'm getting negative values when testing it with count~ (only positive values)<br>
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</span>2015-12-08 10:30 GMT-02:00 Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]>:It certainly is and I have no idea how that happened :-D. but it has no effect whatsoever. just delete the connection.<br>
<span class=""> <br>
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<span class="">Betreff: Re: Re: [PD] Moving Sum object?<br>
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</span><span class="">what was the purpose of the output from the max object into rpole~ in your patch? that's a bug, right?<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
<br>
</span><span class="">2015-12-08 9:50 GMT-02:00 Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>][<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]]>:<br>
<br>
Or are you talking about a object that outputs the sum as a message? In that case just use [cmavg~] or [maverage~] with [snapshot~]. If you just want the sum of a signal vector, there are some objects in zexy that will do the job, like [avg~] or [pack~]+[sum]<br>
<br>
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 08. Dezember 2015 um 12:41 Uhr<br>
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<span class="">Betreff: Re: [PD] Moving Sum object?<br>
<br>
Well, a linear moving average filter is just something that sums a series of samples. If you don't want the average but rather the true sum, either multiply the output by the number of samples or take my abstraction and get rid of the [/~] object.<br>
<br>
<br>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 08. Dezember 2015 um 12:21 Uhr<br>
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<span class="">Betreff: Re: Re: [PD] Moving Sum object?<br>
<br>
cool guys, but i was asking for an average "sum" object :)<br>
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</span>2015-12-08 9:19 GMT-02:00 Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>][<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]]>:Hey Matt,<br>
<span class=""><br>
there's no need for the feedback path (and therefore no [block~ 1] ;-))<br>
<br>
Just use the following formula:<br>
<br>
y[n] = (y[n-1] - x[n-k])/k<br>
<br>
where k is the number of samples to be averaged (must be at least 1). see the patch I sent to Alex in my last mail.<br>
it uses [rpole~ 1] for the y[n-1] part and [z~ k] for the x[n-k] part (you can replace the latter one with a [delwrite~] [delread~] pair to make it purely vanilla).<br>
<br>
The funny thing about linear moving average filters is, that although it can be implemented as a recursive filter (like in both our patches), it is still a FIR filter (and therefore it defeats the notion that recursive filters are always IIR filters). The impulse response is just a rectangular pulse and therefore finite.<br>
<br>
<br>
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 08. Dezember 2015 um 07:13 Uhr<br>
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Betreff: Re: [PD] Moving Sum object?<br>
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</span><span class="">Something like this? Almost completely untestsed. :D<br>
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</span><span class="">On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:20 AM, Alexandre Torres Porres <<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>[<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>][<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>[<a href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>]]> wrote:<br>
<br>
Talking about averages I wonder if we have an object that sums (in a moving average fashion) a series of samples<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
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