<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">It seems like pd-extended is kaput and pd-l2ork is not (yet) cross-platform, the new paradigm is vanilla+deken (yes?). Given that [initbang] and [closebang] can't be implemented as plugins, I wonder if there's a chance they could be folded into vanilla, maybe with a switch to enable them so that they are not there by default nor officially supported, but available to those who need them.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">A guy's gotta dream big now and again.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Matt Barber <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brbrofsvl@gmail.com" target="_blank">brbrofsvl@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">[initbang] also helps with dynamic patching of [inlet]/[outlet], preserving connections in the parent patch. [loadbang] won't do this (last I checked anyway).</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div>There's a startup flag -noloadbang.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-Jonathan<br></div></font></span><div><div><div><span></span></div> <div><br><br></div><div style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, January 11, 2016 8:57 AM, Liam Goodacre <<a href="mailto:liamg_uw@hotmail.com" target="_blank">liamg_uw@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div><div>
<div><div dir="ltr">I'm more interested in stopping the loadbang than starting it. If you have a patch that dynamically creates itself (or worse deletes itself) when loaded, it is very useful to be able to inspect the patch without the the process starting. Initbang provides this because it bangs only when the patch is loaded as an abstraction, not when the patch is opened.<br><div><br><br>> Message: 3<br>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:41:41 +0100<br>> From: Jack <<a href="mailto:jack@rybn.org" target="_blank">jack@rybn.org</a>><br>> To: <a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><br>> Subject: Re: [PD] closebang and initbang in Vanilla<br>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:56936AC5.6030301@rybn.org" target="_blank">56936AC5.6030301@rybn.org</a>><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br>> <br>> Hello,<br>> <br>> For dynamic patching, you can :<br>> - import your abstraction in a subpatch<br>> - send the message 'loadbang' to your subpatch<br>> <br>> => all your abstractions with the object 'loadbang' will send a bang<br>> when the message 'loadbang' will be send.<br>> ++<br>> <br>> Jack<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Le 11/01/2016 04:27, Liam Goodacre a écrit :<br>> > So no chance of getting them in Vanilla then? That's annoying, as<br>> > they're both really useful objects. I particularly like [initbang]<br>> > because it bangs only when the patch is loaded as an abstraction, not<br>> > when it is opened. This is really useful for dynamic patching.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> >> Message: 3<br>> >> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:31:36 +0000 (UTC)<br>> >> From: Jonathan Wilkes <<a href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>><br>> >> To: Roman Haefeli <<a href="mailto:reduzent@gmail.com" target="_blank">reduzent@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>"<br>> >> <<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>><br>> >> Subject: Re: [PD] closebang and initbang in Vanilla<br>> >> Message-ID:<br>> >> <<a href="mailto:355667468.2920260.1452432696797.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com" target="_blank">355667468.2920260.1452432696797.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> >><br>> >> They are also in Pd-l2ork.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Sunday, January 10, 2016 6:36 AM, Roman Haefeli<br>> > <<a href="mailto:reduzent@gmail.com" target="_blank">reduzent@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Sun, 2016-01-10 at 09:52 +0000, Liam Goodacre wrote:<br>> >> > Which libraries are [closebang] and [initbang] in? They don't seem to<br>> >> > load in Vanilla and I can't find the relevant information in the<br>> >> > helpfiles so that I can use [declare].<br>> >><br>> >> I'm not totally sure, but I believe those are part of the Pd-extended<br>> >> core and cannot be implemented as externals. That's why you can't find<br>> >> them anywhere but in Pd-extended.<br>> >><br>> >> Roman<br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> <a href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br>> >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -><br>> > <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> -------------- next part --------------<br>> >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> >> URL:<br>> > <<a href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20160110/523a5ce0/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20160110/523a5ce0/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>> > <br>> > <br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > <a href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br>> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br></div> </div></div>
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