<div dir="ltr">> <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px">hat's why</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px">you need to introduce another external </span><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px">> "hexloader", and make sure it always</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px"> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px">loads first. </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px">but why don't I need this when I load the cyclone externals?</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-02-14 14:31 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr">Pd namespaces and the Pd loading mechanism are too complex to change <br></div><div dir="ltr">without a spec for both the current and proposed system.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Problems of not thinking ahead: unnecessary code duplication <br></div><div dir="ltr">like flatspace, replacing one problem with another like one-class-per-file <br></div><div dir="ltr">libdir, the whole svn personal-cloud-workspace-as-a-library deal in the <br></div><div dir="ltr">first place, and so on...<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">For example: the one-clas-per-file-libdir is the reason you can't easily have <br></div><div dir="ltr">externals with names like "<~" and ">~". Internal classes are loaded by default from files that have alphanumeric names, so there it isn't a problem. That's why <br></div><div dir="ltr">you need to introduce another external "hexloader", and make sure it always <br></div><div dir="ltr">loads first. (Plus the new bother of mapping hex values to ASCII characters in <br></div><div dir="ltr">file names, and remembering how to read those names.)</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-Jonathan<br> </div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br><br></div><div style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, February 14, 2016 10:52 AM, Ivica Bukvic <<a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank">ico@vt.edu</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div><div><div><div dir="ltr">What I am also trying to do eventually in pd-l2ork is weed out redundant objects and only keep the ones that do the said task the best while still supporting other objects' idiosyncrasies (if any). There is absolutely no reason to have multiple objects of the same kind. Ultimately, one could keep all the externals in the same folder and completely do away with all the declares, imports, and other things that make learning pd unnecessarily harder.</div>
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<div><div>On Feb 14, 2016 8:40 AM, "Fred Jan Kraan" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Alexandre,<br clear="none">
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This list is also becoming a list of what has been done.<br clear="none">
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Yes, the nettles-objects are part of the latest cyclone versions. They are part of the nettles library, which can be loaded with [declare]. Not all operating systems like the '<' and '>' in the object names and there is overlap with other library objects, so only loading them when needed is cleaner.<br clear="none">
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2016-02-11 22:18 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:porres@gmail.com" target="_blank">porres@gmail.com</a><br clear="none">
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