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    Why not simply have an inlet that can handle both inside an
    abstraction and route signal one way and number the other and then
    sprinkle that with dynamic nlet creation and you're done? Then you
    can simply abstract most cases.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/14/2016 11:36 AM, Matt Barber
      wrote:<br>
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          style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">[gt~] is a great
          example of something that could work as an abstraction, except
          for the pesky right inlet which should take a signal if
          there's no creation argument, but float otherwise.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Ivica
          Bukvic <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" target="_blank">ico@vt.edu</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <p dir="ltr">What I am also trying to do eventually in
              pd-l2ork is weed out redundant objects and only keep the
              ones that do the said task the best while still supporting
              other objects' idiosyncrasies (if any). There is
              absolutely no reason to have multiple objects of the same
              kind. Ultimately, one could keep all the externals in the
              same folder and completely do away with all the declares,
              imports, and other things that make learning pd
              unnecessarily harder.</p>
            <p dir="ltr">-- <br>
              Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>
              Associate Professor<br>
              Computer Music<br>
              ICAT Senior Fellow<br>
              Director -- DISIS, L2Ork<br>
              Virginia Tech<br>
              School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>
              Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>
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                target="_blank">l2ork.icat.vt.edu</a><br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://ico.bukvic.net"
                target="_blank">ico.bukvic.net</a></p>
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                <div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 14, 2016 8:40 AM, "Fred
                  Jan Kraan" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:fjkraan@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">fjkraan@xs4all.nl</a>>
                  wrote:<br type="attribution">
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                    .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi
                    Alexandre,<br>
                    <br>
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                      guess some of it is in:<br>
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                    <br>
                    This list is also becoming a list of what has been
                    done.<br>
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                      <br>
                      As with _nettles_<br>
                      <br>
                      "try to resurrect as independent object library"<br>
                      <br>
                      Anyway, tell me if this gets includes on this
                      file.<br>
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                    Yes, the nettles-objects are part of the latest
                    cyclone versions. They are part of the nettles
                    library, which can be loaded with [declare]. Not all
                    operating systems like the '<' and '>' in the
                    object names and there is overlap with other library
                    objects, so only loading them when needed is
                    cleaner.<br>
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                      <br>
                      cheers<br>
                      <br>
                      ps. count me in for help with the help files<br>
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                    Great!<br>
                    <br>
                    Greetings,<br>
                    <br>
                    Fred Jan<br>
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                      2016-02-11 22:18 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres
                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:porres@gmail.com" target="_blank">porres@gmail.com</a><br>
                      <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:porres@gmail.com" target="_blank">porres@gmail.com</a>>>:<br>
                      <br>
                          Howdy, it's a known fact brazilians will start
                      the year only after<br>
                          carnival, so here I am.<br>
                      <br>
                          I'd like to share my list of things to do with
                      existing Cyclone<br>
                          Objetcs. Obviously there might be other issues
                      with other objects<br>
                          that would make them up to date with the
                      current version of Max (Max<br>
                          7). Nonetheless, this is what I find relevant,
                      and I've been really<br>
                          checking it through.<br>
                      <br>
                          It's only about 11 objects, some has already
                      been discussed here and<br>
                          might have been fixed or in the process to be
                      taken care of, forgive<br>
                          me if so.<br>
                      <br>
                          I have it attached and also as a link to a
                      google doc<br>
                      <br>
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href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L_dUNgznfhaZHPKMJ3jJ_p9uIXRVP6Rs9-3nXy2Qlk8/edit?usp=sharing"
                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L_dUNgznfhaZHPKMJ3jJ_p9uIXRVP6Rs9-3nXy2Qlk8/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
                      <br>
                          Next, I will get together a list of new
                      objects I think should be<br>
                          included, many of which I've already made as
                      abstractions (kind of<br>
                          to show how it works like I did with [teeth~],
                      cause I really think<br>
                          they should all be done as externals).<br>
                      <br>
                          Cheers<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
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