<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div class="" tabindex="0" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10065" style="outline: none 0px; display: table; width: 843px; box-sizing: border-box; padding-top: 12px; padding-left: 0px; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><div class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10064" style="display: table-cell; width: auto; word-wrap: break-word; word-break: break-word;"><div id="yiv0872873881" class=""><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10063" class=""><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class=""><font face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="3">> </font>Here's a radical idea that I've sometimes pondered: what if we could create left-inlets and right-outlets as well as the standard top- and bottom- ones? </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class=""><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class="">If the object has more than one inlet or outlet you wouldn't be able to fit them on the side of the object box.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class=""><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class="">Also, you run into a common UI problem: if you rotate a thing ninety degrees, do you rotate clockwise or counterclockwise? If I push "up" </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class="">on a DirectTv remote the channel guide on the screen scrolls down (and the numbers decrease!), but if I slide my fingers up a MacBook </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class="">touchpad the browser window scrolls upward. Similarly, vertically-placed outlets could fire top-down or bottom-up. Maybe one is somehow </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class="">more natural than the other, but off the top of my head I can't think which. So I think you'd get more conceptual complexity in return for </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class="">visual left-to-right flow.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class=""><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class="">[expr] helps to fill the role you describe. Unfortunately the Max-compatibility creates more complexity, making Pd's mantra of </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class="">"everything is a float" turn into "everything is a float unless it follows the syntax of that other software which you may or may </div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class="">not have learned..."</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class=""><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class="">-Jonathan</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_10062" class=""><br></div></div></div></div></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, February 22, 2016 11:40 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv3791816880"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6603"><span class="yiv3791816880" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6602" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">> Max have features like auto-align horizontally/vertically</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6603"><span class="yiv3791816880" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6603"><span class="yiv3791816880" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6945" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Pd-l2ork has this, too-- "Tidy Up" in the Edit menu. It's a little strange-- if you click it once it will sweep the selected objects into a </span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6603"><span class="yiv3791816880" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6944" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">"pile", and if you click again it will fan them out like a deck of cards. But it can work well for some situations.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6603"><span class="yiv3791816880" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6603"><span class="yiv3791816880" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6855" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">> and align and route patch cords which is very useful to organize patch cords and make the thinks more readable. I like them a lot.</span><span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6603"><span class="yiv3791816880" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6603"><span class="yiv3791816880" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6946" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">That's a side-effect of "Tidy Up" in a lot of cases, at least for the leftmost inlets and outlets.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6603"><span class="yiv3791816880" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6603"><span class="yiv3791816880" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">-Jonathan</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3791816880yui_3_16_0_1_1456201443449_6603"><span class="yiv3791816880" style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></span></div> <div class="yiv3791816880qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3791816880yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv3791816880yqt8069267100" id="yiv3791816880yqt08464"><div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, February 22, 2016 10:49 PM, Esteban Viveros <emviveros@gmail.com> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv3791816880y_msg_container"><div id="yiv3791816880"><div><div dir="ltr">A feature I miss in vanilla and extended (pdl2ork solve that) is resize objects via one point click and drag. If it is hard to implement, a "apply" button on properties can help to design UI's in Vanilla.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Max have features like auto-align horizontally/vertically and align and route patch cords which is very useful to organize patch cords and make the thinks more readable. I like them a lot.</div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv3791816880gmail_quote"><div class="yiv3791816880yqt2464876295" id="yiv3791816880yqtfd18153"><div dir="ltr">Em seg, 22 de fev de 2016 às 23:49, Johnny Mauser via Pd-list <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>> escreveu:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv3791816880gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">That's something i completly experiece diffrently!! Pd fucks up in practise and development quiet often (maybe i make it fuck up) but once it runs, it runs stable every time!!</div>
<div dir="ltr">Love to pd, </div>
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<div class="yiv3791816880gmail_quote">Am 23.02.2016 02:20 schrieb "Morten Minothi Kristiansen" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:minothi@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:minothi@gmail.com">minothi@gmail.com</a>>:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv3791816880gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Not tried different builds, please giide me.</div>
<div class="yiv3791816880gmail_quote">23. feb. 2016 02.20 skrev "Morten Minothi Kristiansen" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:minothi@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:minothi@gmail.com">minothi@gmail.com</a>>:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv3791816880gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Its been like this with Mavericks, Yosemite and El capitalist. Pd extended 0.43. I did a clean install a week ago and it worked fine for a week until I installed live 9. It still worked until it suddenly hit some kond of wall again.</div>
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<div class="yiv3791816880gmail_quote">23. feb. 2016 02.15 skrev "AP Vague" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:apvague@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:apvague@gmail.com">apvague@gmail.com</a>>:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv3791816880gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Woah, that's definitely a problem I haven't heard of... I'm guessing you've already tried using different builds. What OS are you on?</div><div class="yiv3791816880gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv3791816880gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Morten Minothi Kristiansen <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:minothi@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:minothi@gmail.com">minothi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv3791816880gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">On my last two comouters PD wont open unless I start it with a standalone patch I made long ago. It works for a little while, then crashes completely and for ever more...unless I use the stand alone. Recently...5 min before a gig the standalone wouldnt even start. The gig was fine as Im nott 100% relying on pd, but I have lost faith in PD EXTENDED and wish someone could have helped me earlier with this. I have posted and searched for answears, but didnt get nothing back. Aaaarrrgggghhh!!! </div>
<div dir="ltr">I would mayyybe make a few more attempts if only someone serious would help me out with this and fix the problem, but thats yet to be the case. </div>
<div dir="ltr">Ok... sorry about the rant. Had to get it out and now Im moving on with Max. </div>
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<div class="yiv3791816880gmail_quote">22. feb. 2016 02.52 skrev "Matti Viljamaa" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mviljamaa@kapsi.fi" target="_blank" href="mailto:mviljamaa@kapsi.fi">mviljamaa@kapsi.fi</a>>:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv3791816880gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Perhaps a bit of broad question, but I find it interesting in order to speculate about future additions.<br clear="none">
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