<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_20484">Damn, I should have been more subtle so I could set the hook... :)<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_20469"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_20493">echo I am trolling this thread because arguing about naming before there is even an alpha release is a form of bikeshedding | md5sum</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_20495"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_20525">-Jonathan<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_20470"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_20471"><span></span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 5:54 PM, Dan Wilcox <danomatika@gmail.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv6336045717"><div>*zing!*<div class="yiv6336045717"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"><div class="yiv6336045717">
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<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"><div class="yiv6336045717yqt6162580387" id="yiv6336045717yqt47829"><div><blockquote class="yiv6336045717" type="cite"><div class="yiv6336045717">On Feb 23, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <<a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" ymailto="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv6336045717Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><div class="yiv6336045717"><div class="yiv6336045717"><div class="yiv6336045717" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class="yiv6336045717" id="yiv6336045717yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_5763">I don't see why everyone is discussing names when we haven't even settled <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6336045717" dir="ltr" id="yiv6336045717yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_7515">the issue of bracket placement.</div><div class="yiv6336045717" id="yiv6336045717yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_5764"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6336045717" id="yiv6336045717yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_5765">-Jonathan</div><div class="yiv6336045717" id="yiv6336045717yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_5766"><span class="yiv6336045717" id="yiv6336045717yui_3_16_0_1_1456265599973_7525">ae85b0319a14998c24b317d7e9de8352</span></div> <div class="yiv6336045717qtdSeparateBR"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6336045717yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div class="yiv6336045717" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv6336045717" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv6336045717" dir="ltr"><font class="yiv6336045717" face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 4:59 PM, Miller Puckette <<a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" ymailto="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu" target="_blank">msp@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"></font></div> <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"> <div class="yiv6336045717y_msg_container">I think it's wisest to leave cyclone as it is (except for maintenance updates)<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">and, if you want to write objects for compatibility with newer versions of<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">Max simply start another library. It won't be any trouble for people to<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">install both of them, and the cyclone code is probably best left alone (as<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">is much of Pd) just because it's old and you wouldn't want to be stuck with<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">old ways of doing things.<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">Also, the 'name 'cyclone', although witty, has an unfortunate resonance for<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">certain Europeans... I think it's best left alone.<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">cheers<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">Miller<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 06:46:29PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> I'm seconding Dan on this, name ideas was something being proposed to me<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> and all before Fred shared his intention to stop working on "cyclone". I<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> didn't even liked the idea of forking cyclone then, the reason being that<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> there was no significant change for for projects, one only being able to be<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> updated...<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> now, from a previous thread<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> 2016-02-20 15:57 GMT-02:00 Matt Barber <<a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" ymailto="mailto:brbrofsvl@gmail.com" target="_blank">brbrofsvl@gmail.com</a>>:<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > If a Max 4.6 compatibility library is really necessary, perhaps that could<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > be the fork with the new name.<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> ><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> I agree to Matt on this too, but with the remark that Max 4.6 compatibility<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> would also be present in the updates and further development of cyclone<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> keeping it simple, the whole issue camos with some of us wanting to<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> collaborate and work on updates of cyclone, and the current maintainer<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> having issues with it, it's not that he didn't want to spend his time<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> working on it, more like he was against that others would help him do that.<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> do we really need to fork in order to update a library keeping its original<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> goal?<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> I'm ok with whatever the community think it's best. I already started<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> working a lot on this and now I'm just on it, 20 new objects in the way, a<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> whole revision of all help files going on, it's happening...<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> cheers<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> 2016-02-23 18:08 GMT-03:00 Dan Wilcox <<a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" ymailto="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com" target="_blank">danomatika@gmail.com</a>>:<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> <br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > If neither krzysztof not Fred plan to continue development, why can’t it<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > continue under the same name? (Keeping attribution of course!) I’d argue<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > multiple libraries is more confusing to the user especially when they all<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > provide roughly the same functionality but the main one is now very out of<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > date. That, plus the fact that urging people to use [declare -lib cyclone]<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > now requires urging people to do a batch find/replace for “cyclone” when,<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > again, the functionality is the same.<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> ><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > --------<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > Dan Wilcox<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > @danomatika <<a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/danomatika</a>><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > <a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" target="_blank">danomatika.com</a><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > <a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" target="_blank">robotcowboy.com</a><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> ><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > On Feb 23, 2016, at 1:32 PM, <a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" ymailto="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list-request@lists.iem.at</a> wrote:<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> ><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > i therefore ask both fred and alexandre to change the name of their<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > library, so that they cannot be confused with both the original cyclone<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > library and with each other: neither of the forks is an (or /the/)<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > "official" fork.<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > for what it is worth, git makes it easy to incorporate changes between<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > forks (using pull requests, cherry picking,...) even if the names are<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > different!<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> ><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> ><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> ><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > _______________________________________________<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > <a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> > <a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><div class="yiv6336045717yqt9448718681" id="yiv6336045717yqtfd94196"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> ><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> ><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> <a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">_______________________________________________<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"><a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none">UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6336045717 removed-link" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"></div><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><br class="yiv6336045717" clear="none"></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>