<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4846"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4059"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4862">> Align: <span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4058" style="line-height:1.5;"><a href="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4057" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/lCIeIelbw74</a></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_5381"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_5071" dir="ltr">Looks like there's a whole collection of tools to do that, including a transient bbox with drag hooks.<br><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4058" style="line-height:1.5;"></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_5380"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4058" style="line-height:1.5;"><a href="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4057" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"><br></a></span></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4056"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4860" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4196" style="line-height:1.5;">> Route Patch Cords: </span><a href="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4055" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/2u_UJQ8OfvU</a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_5379" dir="ltr">I'm pretty sure Pd-l2ork can do the first part of that video. But it can also do a many-to-one auto-connection which is <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_5378" dir="ltr">more ergonomic.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_5384" dir="ltr"><a href="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456256638296_4055" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"><br></a></div></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 1:13 AM, Esteban Viveros <emviveros@gmail.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5999134999"><div><div dir="ltr">Like that:<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Align: <span style="line-height:1.5;"><a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/lCIeIelbw74</a></span></div><div><span style="line-height:1.5;">Route Patch Cords: </span><a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/2u_UJQ8OfvU</a></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv5999134999yqt7206067429" id="yiv5999134999yqt96966"><div class="yiv5999134999gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Em ter, 23 de fev de 2016 às 02:09, Jonathan Wilkes <<a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>> escreveu:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv5999134999gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="outline:none 0px;display:table;width:843px;padding-top:12px;padding-left:0px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div style="display:table-cell;width:auto;word-wrap:break-word;"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><font face="HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="3">> </font>Here's a radical idea that I've sometimes pondered: what if we could create left-inlets and right-outlets as well as the standard top- and bottom- ones? </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="outline:none 0px;display:table;width:843px;padding-top:12px;padding-left:0px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div style="display:table-cell;width:auto;word-wrap:break-word;"><div><div><div dir="ltr">If the object has more than one inlet or outlet you wouldn't be able to fit them on the side of the object box.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Also, you run into a common UI problem: if you rotate a thing ninety degrees, do you rotate clockwise or counterclockwise? If I push "up" </div><div dir="ltr">on a DirectTv remote the channel guide on the screen scrolls down (and the numbers decrease!), but if I slide my fingers up a MacBook </div><div dir="ltr">touchpad the browser window scrolls upward. Similarly, vertically-placed outlets could fire top-down or bottom-up. Maybe one is somehow </div><div dir="ltr">more natural than the other, but off the top of my head I can't think which. So I think you'd get more conceptual complexity in return for </div><div dir="ltr">visual left-to-right flow.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">[expr] helps to fill the role you describe. Unfortunately the Max-compatibility creates more complexity, making Pd's mantra of </div><div dir="ltr">"everything is a float" turn into "everything is a float unless it follows the syntax of that other software which you may or may </div><div dir="ltr">not have learned..."</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div style="outline:none 0px;display:table;width:843px;padding-top:12px;padding-left:0px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div style="display:table-cell;width:auto;word-wrap:break-word;"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">-Jonathan</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, February 22, 2016 11:40 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <<a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div><div><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">> Max have features like auto-align horizontally/vertically</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Pd-l2ork has this, too-- "Tidy Up" in the Edit menu. It's a little strange-- if you click it once it will sweep the selected objects into a </span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">"pile", and if you click again it will fan them out like a deck of cards. But it can work well for some situations.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">> and align and route patch cords which is very useful to organize patch cords and make the thinks more readable. I like them a lot.</span><span></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">That's a side-effect of "Tidy Up" in a lot of cases, at least for the leftmost inlets and outlets.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;">-Jonathan</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br clear="none"></span></div> <div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div><div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, February 22, 2016 10:49 PM, Esteban Viveros <<a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:emviveros@gmail.com" target="_blank">emviveros@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div><div><div><div dir="ltr">A feature I miss in vanilla and extended (pdl2ork solve that) is resize objects via one point click and drag. If it is hard to implement, a "apply" button on properties can help to design UI's in Vanilla.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Max have features like auto-align horizontally/vertically and align and route patch cords which is very useful to organize patch cords and make the thinks more readable. I like them a lot.</div></div><br clear="none"><div><div><div dir="ltr">Em seg, 22 de fev de 2016 às 23:49, Johnny Mauser via Pd-list <<a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>> escreveu:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">That's something i completly experiece diffrently!! Pd fucks up in practise and development quiet often (maybe i make it fuck up) but once it runs, it runs stable every time!!</div>
<div dir="ltr">Love to pd, </div>
<div dir="ltr">Johnny </div>
<div>Am 23.02.2016 02:20 schrieb "Morten Minothi Kristiansen" <<a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:minothi@gmail.com" target="_blank">minothi@gmail.com</a>>:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Not tried different builds, please giide me.</div>
<div>23. feb. 2016 02.20 skrev "Morten Minothi Kristiansen" <<a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:minothi@gmail.com" target="_blank">minothi@gmail.com</a>>:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Its been like this with Mavericks, Yosemite and El capitalist. Pd extended 0.43. I did a clean install a week ago and it worked fine for a week until I installed live 9. It still worked until it suddenly hit some kond of wall again.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Mort</div>
<div>23. feb. 2016 02.15 skrev "AP Vague" <<a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:apvague@gmail.com" target="_blank">apvague@gmail.com</a>>:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Woah, that's definitely a problem I haven't heard of... I'm guessing you've already tried using different builds. What OS are you on?</div><div><br clear="none"><div>On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Morten Minothi Kristiansen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="" class="removed-link" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:minothi@gmail.com" target="_blank">minothi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">On my last two comouters PD wont open unless I start it with a standalone patch I made long ago. It works for a little while, then crashes completely and for ever more...unless I use the stand alone. Recently...5 min before a gig the standalone wouldnt even start. The gig was fine as Im nott 100% relying on pd, but I have lost faith in PD EXTENDED and wish someone could have helped me earlier with this. I have posted and searched for answears, but didnt get nothing back. Aaaarrrgggghhh!!! </div>
<div dir="ltr">I would mayyybe make a few more attempts if only someone serious would help me out with this and fix the problem, but thats yet to be the case. </div>
<div dir="ltr">Ok... sorry about the rant. Had to get it out and now Im moving on with Max. </div>
<div dir="ltr">Yebo<span><font color="#888888"><br clear="none">
Morten </font></span></div><div><div>
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