<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yiv2854478663"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_22529"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_22528" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2854478663yui_3_16_0_1_1456245925603_19964">But I guess pd-l2ork addresses some of these issues? I know Jonathan has done a lot of work on a node webkit gui for pd: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv2854478663yui_3_16_0_1_1456245925603_17734" target="_blank" href="https://github.com/jonwwilkes/pd-nw">https://github.com/jonwwilkes/pd-nw</a></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2854478663yui_3_16_0_1_1456245925603_19965"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2854478663yui_3_16_0_1_1456245925603_19966"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_22735">That's a mirror that I stopped updating awhile back.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_22774"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_23285">The repo is here:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_22766" dir="ltr"><a id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_22765" class="" href="https://puredata.osuosl.org/">https://puredata.osuosl.org/</a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_22775"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_22838" dir="ltr">It's an incremental approach, so it still suffers from socket chatter problems that tcl/tk Pd has. But now that tcl/tk is removed from the C code, <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_23062" dir="ltr">logic is slowly making its way over to the GUI side.<br> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_22839" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_23286" dir="ltr">For example-- there is no longer any socket chatter when you're typing inside an object box. That all gets handled by the GUI, which means that <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_23287" dir="ltr">all the editing bindings you're used to in a browser work exactly the same way. It also means the C code that used to handle these details can <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_25480" dir="ltr">be removed.<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_25229" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_25481" dir="ltr">Here's a one-eyed pirate cat walking around in a patch:</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_25452" dir="ltr">pdblog.nfshost.com/catchar.webm</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_25407" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_25408" dir="ltr">As you can see it looks just like the current incarnation of Pd-l2ork. There are also skins for Pd Vanilla, Extended, C64, and Strongbad.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_23466" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_23467" dir="ltr">-Jonathan<br></div></div><div id="yiv2854478663yui_3_16_0_1_1456245925603_19955"><span></span></div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1456246024205_22570" class="yiv2854478663qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2854478663yqt1691135840" id="yiv2854478663yqt38255"></div></div></div></div><div class=".yiv2854478663yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:52 PM, Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv2854478663y_msg_container"><div id="yiv2854478663"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2854478663yui_3_16_0_1_1456245925603_16144">> if you like your fancy gui's, use them!</div><div id="yiv2854478663yui_3_16_0_1_1456245925603_15743"><br clear="none"><span></span></div><span></span><div id="yiv2854478663yui_3_16_0_1_1456245925603_15868"><span id="yiv2854478663yui_3_16_0_1_1456245925603_16145">Pd's GUI is plain and limited, yes. But what it lacks in beauty it makes up for in tcp socket chatter.</span></div><div id="yiv2854478663yui_3_16_0_1_1456245925603_15778"><br clear="none"><span></span></div><div id="yiv2854478663yui_3_16_0_1_1456245925603_16310"><span id="yiv2854478663yui_3_16_0_1_1456245925603_16309">-Jonathan</span></div> <div class="yiv2854478663qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2854478663yahoo_quoted" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv2854478663yqt3132283833" id="yiv2854478663yqt72786"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 12:02 PM, david medine <dmedine@ucsd.edu> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv2854478663y_msg_container"><div id="yiv2854478663"><div>
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about is what (if anything) someone tried to do in Pd, but
couldn't given its limitations (apart from look/feel/convenience
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<div class="yiv2854478663gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">This thread has
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<div>>Max have features like auto-align
horizontally/vertically and align and route patch
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<div>this is so old. this comparing .... so old.<br clear="none">
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<div>if you like your fancy gui's, use them! have you
heard of OSC? just dump whatever you want thru it and
run a headless instance of pd, where you recieve it.
nobody will even notice. are you a nerd or just
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