<div dir="ltr">Thanks Roman for explanations.. good trim the edges of naming things in order to eliminate future confusion.<div><br></div><div>Ivica, I'm thinking in order to provide a relatively see and understand for help patch user. Is really necessary expose a new user to this problematics?</div><div><br></div><div>I'm thinking which not every pd user must be a programmer (at least initially), and probably be an artist... (perhaps), thinking this I understand the principal goal of the user is to make thinks work, and to use the send a message to this object he needs do use $1 $2 $3, if he use $0 pd will do other thing.. So name outlets in Help from 0 require one more step for who are learning many more steps... (please correct me if I'm wrong with regard to the behavior pd)</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, open and edit patch by patch I'm already doing.. Rename inlets and outlets I can make like meditation! :P</div><div><br></div><div>I'm question for these because I know pdL2ork have other libraries and have change something like this have consequences. But anyway, if needed I can modify some more patches. :) Only it will have some time.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Em qui, 17 de mar de 2016 às 13:26, Ivica Ico Bukvic <<a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu">ico@vt.edu</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Here's my $0-cents worth. This is an eternal struggle in the
world'o'comp sci. We need to wrap our heads around the fact that 0
is the 1st number in any kind of data container, whether it be value
or ordinal position. Yet, as humans we prefer 1 to be that first
number, reserving 0 as the special case value. So, you could make
the case either way arguing for consistency, intuitiveness, aliens,
whatever. Another consideration within the pd* ecosystem is that it
is 0-centric, meaning things tend to start with $0 (patch instance)
before they get to $1. Then again, $1 refers to the first arg, so
you could argue it may be inconsistent... etc. etc. etc.<br>
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On the practical side, renaming inlets would mean going through
every last help file and ensuring it has been updated accordingly,
otherwise you would be just adding to more confusion as newcomers
learn that some help files refer to the first inlet as 0 and others
as 1...</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br>
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<div>On 3/17/2016 11:49 AM, Esteban Viveros
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,
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<div>I'm with Porres in Cyclone maintenance working on revision
of some Help patches.</div>
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<div>The question is: Why count inlets and outlets from zero if
Pd user have to call inlets and outlets from $1 $2 $3... ? For
help patch user don't be more convenient enumerate inlets and
outlets starting at number 1?</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
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