<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yiv5129749873"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460659994985_2876"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460659994985_2875"><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3421">Maybe a digression--</div><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3264"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3263" dir="ltr">If I want to just post and follow a single thread on a Mailman list, don't make </div><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3263" dir="ltr">me subscribe. Don't even tell me to send straightaway and wait hours for </div><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3263" dir="ltr">moderation (git list tries to do this and it's broken).</div><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3263" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3263" dir="ltr">Just give me a hashcash web form to send my message, and then </div><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3263" dir="ltr">send thread responses to the email addy I specified in the form. </div><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3263" dir="ltr">My CPU will thrash its way in for me. Hell, give me an unsubscribe button </div><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3263" dir="ltr">so that my CPU can thrash its way off the thread for the address I specify. </div><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3263" dir="ltr">(Worst case someone with a powerful machine mass unsubscribes a bunch </div><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3263" dir="ltr">of users who can still view the archive to see the responses-- but that </div><div id="yiv5129749873yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460654674851_3263" dir="ltr">costs a lot more than $0 to pull off.)</div> <div class="yiv5129749873qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460659994985_2893"><br clear="none">My browser already eats crazy amounts of CPU by loading reams of </div><div class="yiv5129749873qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460659994985_2893">js dependencies and (re-)laying out responsive web pages. </div><div class="yiv5129749873qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460659994985_2893">Burning through one more minute of CPU time is a fine cost if it </div><div class="yiv5129749873qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460659994985_2893" dir="ltr">means I can completely avoid a UI designed by people who spend </div><div class="yiv5129749873qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460659994985_2893" dir="ltr">more time staring at code than interacting with humans.</div><div class="yiv5129749873qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460659994985_2893" dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="yiv5129749873qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1460659994985_2893" dir="ltr">-Jonathan</div><div class="yiv5129749873yqt1306124722" id="yiv5129749873yqt96681"></div></div></div></div><div class=".yiv5129749873yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:36 AM, Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan@xs4all.nl> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv5129749873y_msg_container">My translation server suggests this is an 'unsubscribe' request. But I <br clear="none">doubt lists.iem.at understands this in Spanish. Please go to <br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list </a>and fill in your email <br clear="none">address at 'Unsubscribe or edit options'.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The same translator in reverse:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Mi servidor de la traducción sugiere que esto sea una petición del <br clear="none">“unsubscribe”. Pero dudo que lists.iem.at entiende esto en español. Vaya <br clear="none">por favor a <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list </a>y complete su <br clear="none">email address en “Unsubscribe or edit options”. Éste significa: <br clear="none">“deshacen suscriben o corrigen opciones”.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Fred Jan<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 2016-04-14 09:59 AM, Pia Sommer wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> --<br clear="none">> www.piasommer.cl <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.piasommer.cl/">http://www.piasommer.cl</a>><br clear="none">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://soundcloud.com/piasommer">http://soundcloud.com/piasommer</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br clear="none">> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><div class="yiv5129749873yqt3414370533" id="yiv5129749873yqtfd83424"><br clear="none">><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a> mailing list<br clear="none">UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>