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<div>But we'll be missing out on awesome front ends we can pay for N stuff! <br>
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On May 11, 2016, at 1:09 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <<a href="mailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at">pd-list@mail.iem.at</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>> </span><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462942300473_3668">No--INAL, either, but program inputs are not subject to GPL.</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462942300473_3758"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462942300473_3757">Is there an example of proprietary software that ships with a GPL'd
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<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462942300473_3756"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462942300473_4036">You may be technically right. But in the context of a question about
whether some person or business </font></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462942300473_3756"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462942300473_4156">can come along and "hijack our stuff", the practical answer is very
likely to be "no". And as someone </font></div>
<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462942300473_3756"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2">who's spent too much time reading the code for some of that stuff, I'd also add, "Good luck".</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462942300473_3754"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" size="2" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1462942300473_3755">-Jonathan</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 12:33 AM, Charles Z Henry <<a href="mailto:czhenry@gmail.com">czhenry@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On May 10, 2016 9:39 AM, "Roman Haefeli" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:reduzent@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:reduzent@gmail.com">reduzent</a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:reduzent@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:reduzent@gmail.com">@</a><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:reduzent@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:reduzent@gmail.com">gmail.com</a>>
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> On Sat, 2016-05-07 at 16:13 +0000, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:<br clear="none">
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> > Pd Vanilla has a 3-clause BSD license. This license allows you<br clear="none">
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> > also distributing the corresponding source code.<br clear="none">
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> > It also allows you to make changes/improvements to the code without<br clear="none">
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> > As for external libraries-- it depends on how they are licensed. Some<br clear="none">
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> I'm just curious: If I implemented a way to close-source Pure Data<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr">No--INAL, either, but program inputs are not subject to GPL. Distributing software that links with GPL licensed libraries requires that the free/open software requirements of GPL are met for each program or library linked with. So, all that's
additionally required is to distribute Pd's source code or provide a link to the code.</div>
<div dir="ltr">If you had to modify Pd in the process so it reads encrypted patches, you'd give away the method of encryption in the code and make the keys easier to find.</div>
<div dir="ltr">So then, one also has to find a decent method of obfuscating the inputs without linking with or modifying Pd. An additional binary that reads an encrypted patch translates it into a readable format but doesn't link with Pd. It can also be distributed
without source code. But, then there's an intermediate form of the patch when it's run that can be read and so it is not a foolproof method of hiding anything.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Modified versions of Pd without the GPL can be distributed without providing source code. So one could add a method of reading an encrypted patch.</div>
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