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On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:08 AM, Thor Thorrific <<a href="mailto:thorrific@gmail.com">thorrific@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span> 1. Re: deken install user experience (Dan Wilcox)</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span> 2. Re: deken install user experience (Lucas Cordiviola)</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span> 3. Re: deken install user experience (Lucas Cordiviola)</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 11:36:01 -0600</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>From: Dan Wilcox <<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>To: Max <<a href="mailto:abonnements@revolwear.com">abonnements@revolwear.com</a>></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Before the discussion on deken installing libraries for you goes super far,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>we talked about this curing Chris¡¯ initial deken development and, regarding,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>2. Auto-magic dependency was put into the ¡°nice to have, but possibly a lot</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>3. There is no easy way around the pd-extended kitchen sink -> pd vanilla</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>regard. At least I thought that was agreed upon...</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>IMO the much bigger issue right now is that we don¡¯t have full coverage of</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>resources, I feel this is much more important right now. We need a big push</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>of people essentially updating these main libs to the pd-lib-builder</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>makefile and then coordinating people on various platforms to build said</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>target, so it¡¯s relatively easy. After all, how can deken suggest a lib to</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>One of the great things about deken is that it helps decentralize the</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Dan Wilcox</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>@danomatika <<a href="https://twitter.com/danomatika">https://twitter.com/danomatika</a>></span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>On Jun 9, 2016, at 4:00 AM, <a href="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at">
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [PD] deken install user experience</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Date: June 9, 2016 at 3:00:27 AM MDT</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>--like: preparing your patch for offline use on multiple archs, which</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Totally,</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I distribute my patches with all needed externals included, for all</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>platforms, this way the user ONLY have to install pd and its ready to</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>or whatever, it just work.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>I think its Ok that other platforms zips are grayed out.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>One simple solution will be to have one zip containing all externals</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>This will bring back the benefits of ¡°extended¡±.</span><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span>By benefits I mean that as a student you are exposed to the work of all</span><br>
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