<div dir="ltr"><div>There's a great story/paper waiting to be written.<br><br></div>Earth calling Hans:)<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 October 2016 at 09:47, Sebastian Lexer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:s.lexer@incalcando.com" target="_blank">s.lexer@incalcando.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

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</span>Sourceforge dates the first PD-extended1 to 05 March 2003: 
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        <a href="mailto:derek.x.kwan@gmail.com" style="color:#485664!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Derek Kwan</a></div>   <div style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:right">     <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">11 
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  <div style="color:#909aa4;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px" class="m_2200184524502298634__pbConvBody"><div><br>I've been doing
 some mailing-list archive digging and so far this is the<br>earlier 
mention I've found of it on the oft-neglected pd-announce list<br>so it 
at least goes back to december 2002. <br><br><a class="m_2200184524502298634moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-announce/2002-12/000178.html" target="_blank">https://lists.puredata.info/<wbr>pipermail/pd-announce/2002-12/<wbr>000178.html</a><br><br>In
 terms of pd-list, the earliest mention I've found goes back to May<br>2003.<br><br><a class="m_2200184524502298634moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2003-05/011695.html" target="_blank">https://lists.puredata.info/<wbr>pipermail/pd-list/2003-05/<wbr>011695.html</a><br><br>Derek<br><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br><a class="m_2200184524502298634moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>
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        <a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" style="color:#485664!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Ivica Ico Bukvic</a></div>   <div style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:right">     <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">10 
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    On 10/10/2016 2:07 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:<br>
    <blockquote type="cite"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px">> Does anyone have
        a link to a paper or a publication that documents the <br>
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              <div id="m_2200184524502298634yui_3_16_0_1_1476120924952_10891" class="m_2200184524502298634y_msg_container">> motivation
                behind and original initiators of the pd-extended? I
                traced <br>
                > releases back to 2003 but there is no info on who
                were original players <br>
                > who started it. Thank you.<br>
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                <div id="m_2200184524502298634yui_3_16_0_1_1476120924952_10894">Didn't Hans
                  start it?<br>
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    That's what I thought but I am not 100% sure, so I am hoping the
    community will provide needed clarity.<br>
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    Best,<br>
    <br>
    Ico<br>
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                > Best,<br>
                <br>
                -- <br>
                Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>
                Associate Professor<br>
                Creative Technologies in Music<br>
                ICAT Senior Fellow<br>
                Director -- DISIS, L2Ork<br>
                Virginia Tech<br>
                School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>
                Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>
                <a href="tel:%28540%29%20231-6139" value="+15402316139" target="_blank">(540) 231-6139</a><br>
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                <a href="http://ico.bukvic.net" target="_blank">ico.bukvic.net</a><br>
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        <a href="mailto:pd-list@mail.iem.at" style="color:#485664!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list</a></div>   <div style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:right">     <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">10 
October 2016 19:07</span></font></div>    </div></div>
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anyone have a link to a paper or a publication that documents the <br><div class="m_2200184524502298634qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div></span><div style="display:block" id="m_2200184524502298634yui_3_16_0_1_1476120924952_10887" class="m_2200184524502298634yahoo_quoted"><div id="m_2200184524502298634yui_3_16_0_1_1476120924952_10886" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_2200184524502298634yui_3_16_0_1_1476120924952_10885" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_2200184524502298634yui_3_16_0_1_1476120924952_10891" class="m_2200184524502298634y_msg_container"><span class="">> motivation behind and original initiators 
of the pd-extended? I traced <br>> releases back to 2003 but there is
 no info on who were original players <br>> who started it. Thank 
you.<br><div><br></div><div id="m_2200184524502298634yui_3_16_0_1_1476120924952_10894">Didn't
 Hans start it?<br></div><div id="m_2200184524502298634yui_3_16_0_1_1476120924952_10895"><br></div></span><span class="">>
 Best,<br><br>-- <br>Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A.<br>Associate Professor<br>Creative
 Technologies in Music<br>ICAT Senior Fellow<br>Director -- DISIS, L2Ork<br>Virginia
 Tech<br>School of Performing Arts – 0141<br>Blacksburg, VA 24061<br>(540)
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        <a href="mailto:ico@vt.edu" style="color:#485664!important;padding-right:6px;font-weight:500;text-decoration:none!important" target="_blank">Ivica Ico Bukvic</a></div>   <div style="display:inline-block;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:middle;width:48%;text-align:right">     <font color="#909AA4"><span style="padding-left:6px">10 
October 2016 17:30</span></font></div>    </div></div>
  <div style="color:#909aa4;margin-left:24px;margin-right:24px" class="m_2200184524502298634__pbConvBody"><span class="">Does anyone have a link to a 
paper or a publication that documents the 
motivation behind and original initiators of the pd-extended? I traced 
releases back to 2003 but there is no info on who were original players 
who started it. Thank you.
<br>
<br></span>Best,
<br>
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