<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5258" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5257"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5256"><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5425"><div id="yiv5674574758"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5424"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5423"><div class="yiv5674574758gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5422"><div class="yiv5674574758gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5421"><blockquote class="yiv5674574758gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5420"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5419"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5418"><div class="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yahoo_quoted" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_3061" style="display:block;"><div id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_3060" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_3059" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574y_msg_container" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_4305"><div id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yiv9610953399"><div id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_4304"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_4303"><div id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_4308"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9487">Another reason for putting it off is that I still haven't figured out a sane approach <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9630">to handling arbitrary fonts in a diagram where everything is absolutely positioned. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9488">In fact I only have a minimally-workable approach to handling a single, mono- <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9489">spaced font across platforms. For example, there was a change somewhere in <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9631">the Gnu/Linux font-stack (relatively) recently that renders fonts (or at least <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9490">DejaVu Sans Mono) noticeably wider than before. So Windows, OSX, and <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9501">old Gnu/Linux would render a particular line of text sized at "12px" within less <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9491">than a single pixel of each other. The new Gnu/Linux font stack (seen in Ubuntu <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9568">16.04 and some recent Arch) rendered the same text about 7 pixels wider.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9677"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9678">Worse, the newer Gnu/Linux font stack quantizes the "px" sizes such that the <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9781">next smallest size is noticeably smaller. So in Ubuntu 16.04 I have to compromise <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9918">by keeping the object box the same size and having some extra padding at the <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9919">end-- otherwise users of that OS could end up tightly spacing their object chains <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9920">in ways that cause overlaps on the other platforms.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5470"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5417">So... I'd like to get a handle on that mess first, then handling arbitrary font <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5645">families-- as in cyclone/comment-- will hopefully be easier and less prone <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5608">to bugs.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5610"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5612">> well, it seems some of the issues are exactly what we're facing now...</div><div class="yiv5674574758yqt9364325223" id="yiv5674574758yqtfd31749"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5427"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5471"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5482">I think those issues are impossible to solve for displaying arbitrary fonts in <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5542">a diagram like a Pd patch, and especially for arbitrary fonts in multi-line text. <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5606">The user simply won't be able to predict whether or not there will be collisions <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5596">on someone else's platform (or even if those fonts aren't available, which fonts <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5642">will get chosen).<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5484"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5643" dir="ltr">I'm all for porting cyclone/comment for the sake of Max compatibility. But I'd <br></div><div dir="ltr">strongly advise against using cyclone/comment in any patch that's supposed to <br></div><div dir="ltr">be used cross-platform (aside from its own help patch, of course).<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5644"><br></div><div>-Jonathan<br></div><div><br></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5434">> cheers</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>