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<p>Spaces work in labels in L2Ork because they are escaped with a backslash. But this is creating an incompatibility with Vanilla, which then can't read the object's properties.<br>
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<p>If you want a way to get larger, nicer text into a PD file than allowed with the ctrl+5 comment, the best way might be to use ASCII 255, the non breaking space
<span class="_Tgc">(" ")</span>, which looks like a space but is read like a regular character. It's a bit of a pain to copy it between every word, but it works nicely across platforms once it's in place. A faster option for editing might be to let Vanilla
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<b>Sent:</b> 04 December 2016 01:27<br>
<b>To:</b> Alexandre Torres Porres<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [PD] cyclone comment and cross platform (was Re: Purr Data rc1)</font>
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Why not just use the built-in <ctrl-5> comment?<br>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1480813648880_8038">Hi, I see Purr Data has this feature where it accepts spaces in lables such as in canvases... this is awesome, and mostly why I use cyclone/comment
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<div>I can see we could depart from how you can lable stuff in Purr Data to make a new working cross platform version of cyclone/comment that is still backwards compatible.</div>
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<div>why not use that for comment... for now, all cyclone/comment is can be thought of just being a fancy label perhaps...</div>
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<div>I did use it a lot in my new help files that I'm working on, but only cause it'd be too much work to use canvas and labels, as it'd imply a canvas for each word as it doesn't take spaces (is only a symbol)</div>
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<div>I was even thinking of ditching it when, it stopped working on vanilla 0.47 - yeah, that's another thing, a fix needs to be made to vanilla for old versions of comment (0.2 and below to work) - but then I realized it could be really useful. I was also
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<div>anyway, the question is, why labels and stuff simply work?</div>
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