<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px">Why not just use the built-in <ctrl-5> comment?<br><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1480813648880_8015"><span></span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1480813648880_8016"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1480813648880_8035" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1480813648880_8034"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1480813648880_8033"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1480813648880_8032"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1480813648880_8031" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Alexandre Torres Porres <porres@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Pd-List <pd-list@lists.iem.at><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 2, 2016 1:10 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PD] cyclone comment and cross platform (was Re: Purr Data rc1)<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1480813648880_8040"><br><div id="yiv9507720166"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1480813648880_8039"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1480813648880_8038">Hi, I see Purr Data has this feature where it accepts spaces in lables such as in canvases... this is awesome, and mostly why I use cyclone/comment<div><br clear="none"></div><div>I can see we could depart from how you can lable stuff in Purr Data to make a new working cross platform version of cyclone/comment that is still backwards compatible.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>cheers </div></div><div class="yiv9507720166gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv9507720166gmail_quote">2016-11-29 2:28 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:porres@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:porres@gmail.com">porres@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv9507720166gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv9507720166yqt3505895649" id="yiv9507720166yqt70493"><div dir="ltr">one question, how does canvas and other fonts for labels work in cross platforms?<div><br clear="none"></div><div>why not use that for comment... for now, all cyclone/comment is can be thought of just being a fancy label perhaps...</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I did use it a lot in my new help files that I'm working on, but only cause it'd be too much work to use canvas and labels, as it'd imply a canvas for each word as it doesn't take spaces (is only a symbol)</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I was even thinking of ditching it when, it stopped working on vanilla 0.47 - yeah, that's another thing, a fix needs to be made to vanilla for old versions of comment (0.2 and below to work) - but then I realized it could be really useful. I was also hoping to add properties windows to make it more convenient.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>anyway, the question is, why labels and stuff simply work?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>cheers<br clear="none"><div class="yiv9507720166gmail_extra"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv9507720166gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv9507720166gmail_quote">2016-11-28 21:45 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>></span>:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv9507720166gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br 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class="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574y_msg_container" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_4305"><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yiv9610953399"><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_4304"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_4303"><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_4308"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9487">Another reason for putting it off is that I still haven't figured out a sane approach <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9630">to handling arbitrary fonts in a diagram where everything is absolutely positioned. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9488">In fact I only have a minimally-workable approach to handling a single, mono- <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9489">spaced font across platforms. For example, there was a change somewhere in <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9631">the Gnu/Linux font-stack (relatively) recently that renders fonts (or at least <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9490">DejaVu Sans Mono) noticeably wider than before. So Windows, OSX, and <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9501">old Gnu/Linux would render a particular line of text sized at "12px" within less <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9491">than a single pixel of each other. The new Gnu/Linux font stack (seen in Ubuntu <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9568">16.04 and some recent Arch) rendered the same text about 7 pixels wider.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9677"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9678">Worse, the newer Gnu/Linux font stack quantizes the "px" sizes such that the <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9781">next smallest size is noticeably smaller. So in Ubuntu 16.04 I have to compromise <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9918">by keeping the object box the same size and having some extra padding at the <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9919">end-- otherwise users of that OS could end up tightly spacing their object chains <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758m_-8410695196263453574yui_3_16_0_1_1480022623989_9920">in ways that cause overlaps on the other platforms.</div><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5470"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5417">So... I'd like to get a handle on that mess first, then handling arbitrary font <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5645">families-- as in cyclone/comment-- will hopefully be easier and less prone <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5608">to bugs.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5610"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5612">> well, it seems some of the issues are exactly what we're facing now...</div><div class="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758yqt9364325223" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yiv5674574758yqtfd31749"><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5427"><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5471"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5482">I think those issues are impossible to solve for displaying arbitrary fonts in <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5542">a diagram like a Pd patch, and especially for arbitrary fonts in multi-line text. <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5606">The user simply won't be able to predict whether or not there will be collisions <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5596">on someone else's platform (or even if those fonts aren't available, which fonts <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5642">will get chosen).<br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5484"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5643">I'm all for porting cyclone/comment for the sake of Max compatibility. But I'd <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">strongly advise against using cyclone/comment in any patch that's supposed to <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">be used cross-platform (aside from its own help patch, of course).<br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5644"><br clear="none"></div><div>-Jonathan<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div id="yiv9507720166m_-4622640508263991178m_3338184409921785789yui_3_16_0_1_1480375943180_5434">> cheers</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div>
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