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    <p>Joining late to the party...</p>
    <p>Being the culprit (I wrote the threaded addition to the coll
      object) I am curious--Alexandre, do you mind elaborating how did
      the threaded thing break max-msp compatibility? If you create a
      coll object without the optional arg, you get Max behavior. If you
      add the optional arg you get threaded which theoretically breaks
      determinacy in favor of avoiding dropping samples due to file I/O
      in the middle of a performance.</p>
    <p>Tests in Max that stand out:</p>
    <p>Reading and writing coll files while sound is running does not
      cause xruns in Max, whereas in Pd it can depending on the size of
      the coll file and CPU utilization.</p>
    <p>You are right in that determinacy is preserved in Max no matter
      what (e.g. read outlet bang outputs immediately after issuing the
      read message in logical time).<br>
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    <p>Doing Uzi with 100k generated entries into coll object in Max and
      I get guaranteed crashes from these on both 6 and 7.</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Ico<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/26/2017 6:51 AM, Alexandre Torres
      Porres wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">oh, I had read that :) - so, same here, with my new
        help file, no error! 
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        <div>something weird about that help file... don't ask me either</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2017-01-25 16:04 GMT-02:00 Lucas
          Cordiviola <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com" target="_blank">lucarda27@hotmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                      <div><i>>>But I never tried that, instead I
                          found and obsure solve, cant remember, it is
                          somewhere at the list archive.</i></div>
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                    <div><i>>yeah, we should find it :)</i></div>
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                <div>It`s here:</div>
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                      color="#000000"><span class=""><b>From:</b>
                        Alexandre Torres Porres <<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:porres@gmail.com" target="_blank">porres@gmail.com</a>><br>
                      </span><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 25, 2017
                      2:53 AM<span class=""><br>
                        <b>To:</b> Lucas Cordiviola<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at"
                          target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [PD] [coll] bug</span></font>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">2017-01-24 18:51
                              GMT-02:00 Lucas Cordiviola <span
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                                  href="mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com"
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                                    <div>I though at that time that the
                                      problem migth come cuz in the help
                                      there are multiple [coll]  &
                                      they all share not having a name,
                                      I thougt that giving some diff
                                      names could solve the help patch
                                      problem.</div>
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                              <div>I have many unnamed coll object in my
                                newly written help file, and it doesn't
                                give that error, so maybe it's not
                                that... </div>
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                                    <div>But I never tried that, instead
                                      I found and obsure solve, cant
                                      remember, it is somewhere at the
                                      list archive.</div>
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                              <div>yeah, we should find it :)</div>
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