<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px">> what about the C.H.I.P. computer?<div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4316" style="display: block;"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4315"><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4314"><div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4446"><div id="yiv6368215725"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4445"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4444"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4443"><div><br clear="none"></div><div>I'm not sure about that one.<br></div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4447">> should it work on it? I have it with me, I can test it these days, I could try and compile for it too</div></div><div class="yiv6368215725gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4480"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4645"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4646">Sure. Try the deb package first, and if that doesn't work try compiling.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4647"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4648">-Jonathan<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4649"><br></div><div class="yiv6368215725gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487129399926_4526">2017-02-15 0:37 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>></span>:<br clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv6368215725gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv6368215725yqt5717801335" id="yiv6368215725yqt62186"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><span class="yiv6368215725">> On initial trials I've found Purr Data good to use, thank-you. Curious if there are plans for an ARM release?</span><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yahoo_quoted" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_14914" style="display:block;"><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_14913" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_14912" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419y_msg_container" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_14915"><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312"><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15209"><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15208"><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15356"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15282">There's an armv7l release:</div><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15281"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15280" target="_blank" href="https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data-binaries/tree/master">https://git.purrdata.net/ jwilkes/purr-data-binaries/ tree/master</a></div><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15207"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15210">That runs on rpi2, and on a Chromebook rockchip (asus c201)</div><span class="yiv6368215725HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"></font></span><div><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15365">-Jonathan<br clear="none"></div><div><div class="yiv6368215725h5"><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15239"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_quote" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15241"><div id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15240">On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 at 4:26 am, me.grimm <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15357" ymailto="mailto:megrimm@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:megrimm@gmail.com">megrimm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_quote" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15367" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487122968055_15366">>> <span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;">in getting gavl/gmerlin to compile, as there were not ready-made homebrew packages.</span><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;"><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></span></div></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;">i did make some once that i remember working (but could be wrong)... they might need modifying:</span></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><font class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" face="verdana, sans-serif"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" target="_blank" href="https://github.com/megrimm/homebrew-pd">https://github.com/megrimm/ homebrew-pd</a></span></font><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><font class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" face="verdana, sans-serif"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;"><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></span></font></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><font class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" face="verdana, sans-serif"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;">though i agree with johannes here:</span></font></div></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><font class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" face="verdana, sans-serif"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;">"</span></font><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;">so if you have spare manpower, it would be more appreciated if that was</span></div><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;">spent in getting the next Gem release out, rather than "making some</span><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;" clear="none"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;">progress in getting recent versions to compile"."</span><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;"><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></span></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;"><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></span></div></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;">m<br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></span><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><font class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" face="verdana, sans-serif"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;"><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></span></font></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><font class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" face="verdana, sans-serif"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-size:12.8px;"><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></span></font></div></div></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_extra yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_extra yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_quote yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg">On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Matt Barber <span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" ymailto="mailto:brbrofsvl@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:brbrofsvl@gmail.com">brbrofsvl@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_quote yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_default yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">I did get Gem to compile without quicktime support with few difficulties. Most of the effort was actually in getting gavl/gmerlin to compile, as there were not ready-made homebrew packages.</div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_default yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_default yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Jonathan, when I get some time I'll send you some instructions and patches directly.</div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_default yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_default yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_extra yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_quote yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779h5 yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg">On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" ymailto="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>></span> wrote:<br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></div></div><blockquote class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_quote yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779h5 yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div 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Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779m_8094890217755548626m_-6216405249569240583yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486702043701_4222" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779m_8094890217755548626m_-6216405249569240583y_msg_container yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779m_8094890217755548626m_-6216405249569240583yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486702043701_4226"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"></span><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779m_8094890217755548626m_-6216405249569240583yiv7214298085"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779m_8094890217755548626m_-6216405249569240583yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486702043701_4229"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779m_8094890217755548626m_-6216405249569240583yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1486702043701_4228">2017-02-10 2:01 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes <span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" ymailto="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jancsika@yahoo.com">jancsika@yahoo.com</a>></span>:<br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779m_8094890217755548626m_-6216405249569240583yiv7214298085gmail_extra yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779m_8094890217755548626m_-6216405249569240583yiv7214298085yqt1481266478 yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" id="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779m_8094890217755548626m_-6216405249569240583yiv7214298085yqtfd24306"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779m_8094890217755548626m_-6216405249569240583yiv7214298085gmail_quote yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><blockquote class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312m_-342721675798156779m_8094890217755548626m_-6216405249569240583yiv7214298085gmail_quote yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><span class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(34,34,34);"> </span>Unfortunately not in OSX atm</div></div></blockquote><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><br class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg">> so, if not now, any estimate when? and what is the problem for now? just curious...</div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv6368215725m_8017230520605251419yiv4441290312gmail_msg"><br 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