<div dir="ltr">Yeah, I tweaked parameters, and actually to follow up on the last message. All of them still cause drops. Some settings more sporadically than others. I have decided to take this process out as I do not have much time to figure out how to solve the problem before having to hand in the score and patch. But I will keep on studying this.<div><br></div><div>once again thank you all for the help.</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Christof Ressi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">> both Christof's and Jack's solution still create audio drops.<br>
<br>
</span>did you actually tweek the parameter?? there *must* be a setting where you don't get dropouts but the question is rather if this setting is acceptable for you.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Februar 2017 um 13:41 Uhr<br>
<span class="">Von: "José Rafael Subía Valdez" <<a href="mailto:jsubiavaldez@gmail.com">jsubiavaldez@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<br>
</span><span class="">Okay, update with all the solutions everyone has chipped in. (THANKS AGAIN)<br>
<br>
both Christof's and Jack's solution still create audio drops. Now I am testing Jean-Yves's patch and seems to do the trick. <br>
<br>
again, thank you all. If anyone has another idea, I will be interested in looking at other solutions (just for the heck of it).<br>
<br>
ps. Thanks Jack, I will try changing the [block] <br>
<br>
cheers<br>
<br>
</span><span class="">On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at"><wbr>christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]> wrote:That's what I meant with:<br>
<br>
> [soundfiler] will vomit at you in the Pd console but you can simply ignore it by setting the log level to 0.<br>
<br>
I know why it happens but it doesn't really matter. Despite its flashy read appearance it's just a warning which can be safely ignored.<br>
<br>
The patch itself should work. Tweek the amount of samples per DSP block to find a setting which works for you without dropouts.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 28.02.2017 12:54, José Rafael Subía Valdez wrote:Hey Christof and Jean-Yves Gratius<br>
<br>
Thanks, I am opening them up just now. Christof, your patch gives me these errors when I try it out:<br>
<br>
soundfiler_read: truncated to 44100 elements -> this one is repeated by the amount of blocks it will take to completely load the sound file<br>
resize failed<br>
<br>
any idea why?? (before I start dismantling it?)<br>
<br>
Cheers Guys, much appreciated.<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><span class="">On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at"><wbr>christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>] <mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]><wbr>> wrote:<br>
<br>
José, I think I have a solution which might work for you. see my<br>
attached patch. it's not a clean abstraction but rather<br>
demonstrates the principle.<br>
<br>
basically, I spread the loading of the soundfile over several DSP<br>
blocks and you can adjust how many samples to load in one block.<br>
44100 samples, for example, works fine for me (no dropouts), which<br>
means I can load 1 second of audio in 1.5 ms or 10 minutes in 900 ms!<br>
<br>
note that it needs soundfile_info from iemlib.<br>
<br>
[soundfiler] will vomit at you in the Pd console but you can<br>
simply ignore it by setting the log level to 0.<br>
<br>
Anyway, I'm really thinking of turning it into an external because<br>
there some inefficiencies I could get rid off. Most notably, I<br>
have to use an intermediate buffer plus |read -resize -maxsize<br>
...( to prevent [soundfiler] from reading the file always till the<br>
end because it doesn't have -nframes as an read option (which is<br>
unfortunate).<br>
<br>
Hope that helps!<br>
<br>
Christof<br>
<br>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Februar 2017 um 07:42 Uhr<br>
</span> Von: "José Rafael Subía Valdez" <<a href="mailto:jsubiavaldez@gmail.com">jsubiavaldez@gmail.com</a>[<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:jsubiavaldez@gmail.com">jsubiavaldez@gmail.com</a>]<br>
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<br>
</span><span class=""> Thank you all..<br>
<br>
but I am developing patches that are handed to performers and<br>
should work out of the box, I can't depend on the expensive<br>
machines and RAM-DISK settings because I can not tell my<br>
performers - you need to do all of this and invest in your<br>
computer first before you play my music. Why? because this is<br>
something I am doing for my PhD. Yes..saying "buy a fancy computer<br>
with lots of RAM" is easier in Europe or the US than in other<br>
places of the world and that is not my aim. I am trying to squeeze<br>
the best solutions on any type of machine and to provide people<br>
that are not necessary computer music users with the friendliest<br>
setup I can think of.<br>
<br>
the computer I am programming this is a iMac from 2007 with 4 gb<br>
of RAM. I have many processes including FFT, but thanks to switch~<br>
I am able to optimize the patch. I just have this problem that<br>
causes audio drops when loading each sample. So not really wanna<br>
discuss finances.<br>
<br>
Thanks again<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 11:35 PM, Christof Ressi<br>
<<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at"><wbr>christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]<br>
</span> <mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]><wbr>[mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]<br>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[<wbr>mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]><wbr>]> wrote:> i keep forgetting of<br>
<span class=""> abominations like running a 32-bit Pd on a 64-bit OS.<br>
<br>
Actually, the average Windows user will have more 32-bit apps than<br>
64-bit apps running on their 64-bit OS ;-).<br>
And most Pd users on 64-bit Windows will have a 32-bit Pd because<br>
Miller doesn't offer 64-bit binaries yet and building from source<br>
is still impossible (at least with MinGW).<br>
<br>
> decent OSs should be able to manage more than a total 4GB of RAM<br>
even<br>
> when the entire OS is 32bit (a single application will not be<br>
able to<br>
> address more than 2^32 bytes though; but it should get you closer to<br>
> really having 4GB, rather than 2GB)<br>
<br>
on 32-bit Windows you usually get 2 GB per process - or 3 GB with<br>
some tricks*. on 64-bit Windows it's 2 GB for 32-bit processes<br>
unless you compile with IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE set, then<br>
you get 4 GB.<br>
<br>
here are the boring details:<br>
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<br>
I actually I didn't know about IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE<br>
until now. Miller could actually use it in his 32-bit Windows<br>
builds, which currently only allow 2 GB**. It won't do any harm on<br>
32-bit systems and doubles the available memory on 64-bit systems.<br>
<br>
> fun fact: on linux, you can use 64bit Pd for >10 years with<br>
virtually<br>
> all external libraries working.<br>
<br>
:-o. time to finally get my dual boot. I weren't so lazy...<br>
<br>
<br>
Christof<br>
<br>
<br>
* IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE set + 4GT enabled (risky)<br>
** I tested this with latest vanilla 32-bit binaries on Windows 7<br>
64-bit (with 16 GB of RAM installed). I get a warning when I try<br>
to exceed 2 GB.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> Gesendet: Montag, 27. Februar 2017 um 22:58 Uhr<br>
> Von: "IOhannes m zmölnig" <<a href="mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at">zmoelnig@iem.at</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at">zmoeln<wbr>ig@iem.at</a>]<br>
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><br>
<br>
> On 02/27/2017 10:45 PM, Christof Ressi wrote:<br>
> >> well, [table] stores the samples as floating point (taking 4<br>
bytes per<br>
> >> sample; and 8 byte on 64bit systems),<br>
> > It depends on your Pd (32-bit or 64-bit), not on the system.<br>
><br>
> well yes, true.<br>
> i keep forgetting of abominations like running a 32-bit Pd on a<br>
64-bit OS.<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> >> however, there is a simple solution at hand: get youself<br>
plenty of RAM<br>
> >> and pre-load everything into tables.<br>
> >> 32GB cost about 250,-€ and will allow you to load approx. 24h<br>
of raw<br>
> >> audio, which is probably enough.<br>
> > Unfortunately, this is only true for 64-bit processes. A<br>
single 32-bit process can't handle more than 2^32 bytes (~4 GB).<br>
In reality, it's even less, usually 2 GB, which is a bit more than<br>
1,5 hours of stereo audio @44100 Hz. Pd will give you a warning<br>
when you try to exceed this limit ("pd: resizebytes() failed - out<br>
of memory").<br>
><br>
> how much RAM does that machine have?<br>
> decent OSs should be able to manage more than a total 4GB of RAM<br>
even<br>
> when the entire OS is 32bit (a single application will not be<br>
able to<br>
> address more than 2^32 bytes though; but it should get you closer to<br>
> really having 4GB, rather than 2GB)<br>
><br>
> but yes, in order to make use of 32GB of memory you need a<br>
native 64bit<br>
> application (running on a 64bit OS).<br>
><br>
> fun fact: on linux, you can use 64bit Pd for >10 years with<br>
virtually<br>
> all external libraries working.<br>
><br>
> gmsr<br>
> IOhannes<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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