<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">For now, yeah. I've been testing builds using the included Tk Wish in the mac/stuff folder ala "make app." This is still the safest & most compatible version so far.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The object box sizing needs to be fixed in 8.5 / 8.6. Maybe it's as simple as tweaking the font metrics only for macOS & Tk > 8.4?</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:35 PM, Miller Puckette <<a href="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu" class="">msp@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Aha... I built it with 8.5 - should I be still using 8.4?</span><br style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">cheers</span><br style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">M</span><br style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:07:30PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jul 15, 2017, at 11:02 AM, <a href="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at" class="">pd-list-request@lists.iem.at</a> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">I notice it looks quite differently in Mac OS, like there is a new font, but it still seems it is Monaco. But the font size is smaller and the boxes are thinner and wider. A subpatch will also have an extra space to the right after the text/name of the subpatch.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">You are seeing the retina rendering with a newer Tk, which still has those font issues as the rendered box size does not quite fit the font. I haven't been able to track down a fix yet.<br class=""><br class="">It's weird, though, as this shouldn't be the default yet and Pd should still be using 8.4 which is pixelated on retina screens but has correct object sizing.<br class=""><br class="">Miller, how did you build the mac distribution app?<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I know there's a Pull Request where we're discussing a cross platform consistency for Pd (DejaVu Sans Mono as default font crossplatform), but it hasn't been merged yet, right?<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">No. There's still the issue of making it work on Windows which has not been resolved yet. I am aware of the TWAPI extension but that is not ideal as Pd shouldn't rely on too many dependencies, especially for only loading a font on one platform. 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