<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-12-07 12:04 GMT-02:00 Christof Ressi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:12.0px"><div>
<div>Now when I think of it, when I switched from Pd-extended to Pd vanilla a couple of years ago I was first annoyed by the bigger font size. So it's really just a matter of getting used to it. Just one question: on Windows (and also Linux?) the font weight defaults to bold (as opposed to Pd extended). Is this on purpose and is this the same on MacOS?</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It is not the same at all on macOS! And this has also been a matter of dicussion here on the list. That is if we should get them all consistently the same. But before we deal with that, it was necessary to do this part of the process anyway. So after this we can make a decision on that. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm arguing we should have them all with normal weight instead of bold by default. Because it'd be consistent also with Pd Extended and Purr Data. I find bold specially hard on the eyes when checking documentation and help files. I remember there were different points of view, as always, but not that much or strong rejection to making it normal weight. But anyway, this should be a new discussion with as much people involved as possible for the next release.</div><div><br></div><div>cheers</div><div><br></div><div> wouldn't t is not on purpose, I'd say this happened </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:12.0px"><div>
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<div>Anyway, thanks for the great work!!!</div>
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<div><span class="">> If everyone ends up hating this, we could just go back to Courier on all platforms. At least then we wouldn't have to ship a font....
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</span><div>or what about Comic Sans MS? :-p</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0"><b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 07. Dezember 2017 um 14:40 Uhr<br>
<b>Von:</b> "Dan Wilcox" <<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com" target="_blank">danomatika@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>An:</b> "Lucas Cordiviola" <<a href="mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com" target="_blank">lucarda27@hotmail.com</a>>, "Christof Ressi" <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pd-List <<a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [PD] Fw: Re: [PD-announce] Pd 0.48-1 test version released</div><div><div class="h5">
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<div>Yes, the sizes are a little smaller/tighter and come from Pd-extended. Things work best with DejaVu Sans Mono so rendering should be the same using the same font. For more info, see: <a href="https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/159" target="_blank">https://github.com/pure-<wbr>data/pure-data/pull/159</a></div>
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<div>If everyone ends up hating this, we could just go back to Courier on all platforms. At least then we wouldn't have to ship a font....</div>
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Note: DejaVu Sans Mono is the default font but it's not currently shipped with or loaded by Pd on Windows yet. There is some extra work needed for this and it seemed important to fix the sizing issues on macOS first. I wrote up some info about the fonts in <a href="https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/font/README.txt" target="_blank">https://github.com/pure-<wbr>data/pure-data/blob/master/<wbr>font/README.txt</a>
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<div>Also, zooming now works for all guis, the inlets & outlets are the same height, lots of little drawing bugs were fixed (VU scale not completly hidden), etc etc etc.
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<div>On Dec 5, 2017, at 7:35 PM, <a href="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list-request@lists.iem.at</a> wrote:</div>
<div><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline">Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:14:59 +0000</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px">
<span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline">From: Lucas Cordiviola <</span><a href="mailto:lucarda27@hotmail.com" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px" target="_blank">lucarda27@hotmail.com</a><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline">></span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px">
<span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline">To: "</span><a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px" target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline">" <</span><a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px" target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline">>, Christof Ressi</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px">
<span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline"><</span><a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a><span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline">></span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px">
<span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline">Subject: Re: [PD] Fw: Re: [PD-announce] Pd 0.48-1 test version</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px">
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<span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px">
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<span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline">Hi Christof,</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px">
<br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px">
<span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline">Yes this changes were totally intentional, and are for good IMO, now patches render the same on all platforms!.</span><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px">
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<span style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px;float:none;display:inline">They were well tested, see:<span class="m_3044245502661488405Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/pull/227" style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px" target="_blank">https://github.com/pure-<wbr>data/pure-data/pull/227</a><br style="font-family:Monaco;font-size:12.0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0.0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0.0px">
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