<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks Katja, I finally did something like that (this is kept in a separate branch (show_io) for now):</div><div><br></div><div>when selected, the IOs and the outline are created; they remain until the mknob is hovered (out of edit mode) or updated (value changed), while not being selected.</div><div><br></div><div>This way, for example, selecting_all then deselecting allows to show every mknob outline&IOs, until edit mode is switched off. Of course then the artifacts remain visible (until you hover or update the mkobs), but I hope this won't be too much annoying, and that the gain is greater than the loss.<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> Antoine Rousseau </font></div><div dir="ltr"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"> <a href="http://metalu.net" target="_blank">http://www.metalu.net</a> __ <a href="http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/" target="_blank">http://www.metaluachahuter.com/</a><br><br></font></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Le sam. 8 sept. 2018 à 17:53, katja <<a href="mailto:katjavetter@gmail.com">katjavetter@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 9/8/18, Antoine Rousseau <<a href="mailto:antoine@metalu.net" target="_blank">antoine@metalu.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> too bad, newclick(...) is never called when in edit mode...<br>
> so: no hovering detection when in edit mode, no way to (easily) detect edit<br>
> mode on/off switching... back to the starting point.<br>
> maybe i will... do nothing more ;-)<br>
<br>
You could use the select function in the widgetbehavior to draw /<br>
erase an outline with IOlets. A similar thing happens in<br>
iemgui/iem_event (although it only does an outline, no IOlets). So the<br>
outline + IOlets would appear when the object is selected. In<br>
my_canvas the select method is used to switch the outline color but in<br>
iem_event the rectangle is created when the object selected, and<br>
deleted when the object deselected. Another option is to define<br>
IOlets which consist of outline only and switch outline width between<br>
0 and 1 when (de)selecting.<br>
<br>
Katja<br>
<br>
><br>
> Antoine Rousseau<br>
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><br>
><br>
><br>
> Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 20:33, Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>> a<br>
> écrit :<br>
><br>
>> cool!<br>
>><br>
>> > why not even showing outline and iolets as soon as the patch is<br>
>> > switched<br>
>> to edit mode?<br>
>><br>
>> the only type of object inside the canvas which gets notified on editmode<br>
>> changes is T_TEXT (to toggle the vertical line on the right), so AFAICT<br>
>> it's impossible to achieve without nasty tricks (see<br>
>> iemguts/receivecanvas<br>
>> :-))<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 19:39 Uhr<br>
>> Von: "Antoine Rousseau" <<a href="mailto:antoine@metalu.net" target="_blank">antoine@metalu.net</a>><br>
>> An: "<a href="mailto:Antoine@metalu.net" target="_blank">Antoine@metalu.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:antoine@metalu.net" target="_blank">antoine@metalu.net</a>><br>
>> Cc: "Christof Ressi" <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>>, Pd-list <<br>
>> <a href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>><br>
>> Betreff: Re: Re: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob<br>
>><br>
>> OK I just tried and mknob_newclick allows receiving hovering as you said<br>
>> before.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Antoine Rousseau<br>
>> <a href="http://www.metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.metalu.net</a>[<a href="http://metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://metalu.net</a>] __<br>
>> <a href="http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.metaluachahuter.com/[http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/]</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 19:32, Antoine Rousseau<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:antoine@metalu.net" target="_blank">antoine@metalu.net</a>[mailto:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:antoine@metalu.net" target="_blank">antoine@metalu.net</a>]> a écrit :<br>
>><br>
>> I see; why not even showing outline and iolets as soon as the patch is<br>
>> switched to edit mode?<br>
>> But I must admit I don't know how to detect these events (object is<br>
>> hovered /or/ patch switches to /from edit mode). I'll try to find<br>
>> existing<br>
>> similar code, but maybe you have some pointers?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Antoine Rousseau<br>
>> <a href="http://www.metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.metalu.net</a>[<a href="http://metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://metalu.net</a>] __<br>
>> <a href="http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.metaluachahuter.com/[http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/]</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 19:20, Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]> a écrit :> you mean like the little<br>
>> square of the canvas object?<br>
>><br>
>> kind of, except that my_canvas only shows the square when the object is<br>
>> selected. of course that's also possible! my idea was to show it when you<br>
>> hover the object in editmode, so you don't have to explicitly select the<br>
>> object to see where to make the connections.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 18:43 Uhr<br>
>> Von: "Antoine Rousseau" <<a href="mailto:antoine@metalu.net" target="_blank">antoine@metalu.net</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:antoine@metalu.net" target="_blank">antoine@metalu.net</a>]><br>
>> An: "Christof Ressi"<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]><br>
>> Cc: Pd-list <<a href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>]><br>
>> Betreff: Re: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob<br>
>><br>
>> a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only when<br>
>> the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode<br>
>><br>
>> you mean like the little square of the canvas object? yes, I like the<br>
>> idea. I'll try this soon, thanks!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Antoine Rousseau<br>
>> <a href="http://www.metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.metalu.net</a>[<a href="http://www.metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.metalu.net</a>][<a href="http://metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://metalu.net</a>[<br>
>> <a href="http://metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://metalu.net</a>]] __<br>
>> <a href="http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5D" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.metaluachahuter.com/[http://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/][http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D]</a><br>
>> <<a href="http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5D" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/%5Bhttp://www.metaluachahuter.com/compagnies/al1-ant1/%5D%5D</a>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 17:31, Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>][mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[mailto:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]]> a écrit :Hi, to be honest, I never found it to<br>
>> be a big problem. I'm not too sure about the three outlet solution, I<br>
>> think<br>
>> it's indeed a bit far-stretched :-) what I would suggest is to give the<br>
>> user a visual hint (i.e. draw the rect borders and the iolets)- but only<br>
>> when the user hovers over the knob while the glist is in editmode. you<br>
>> can<br>
>> do this in mknob_newclick.<br>
>><br>
>> > iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob;<br>
>><br>
>> yes, this looks a bit funny, but you usually won't have the cables<br>
>> visible<br>
>> in your final GUI anyway, so I wouldn't worry about that.<br>
>><br>
>> Christof<br>
>><br>
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 14:45 Uhr<br>
>> Von: "Antoine Rousseau" <<a href="mailto:antoine@metalu.net" target="_blank">antoine@metalu.net</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:antoine@metalu.net" target="_blank">antoine@metalu.net</a><br>
>> ][mailto:<a href="mailto:antoine@metalu.net" target="_blank">antoine@metalu.net</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:antoine@metalu.net" target="_blank">antoine@metalu.net</a>]]><br>
>> An: "Christof Ressi" <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a><br>
>> ][mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]]><br>
>> Cc: Pd-list <<a href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>][mailto:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:Pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">Pd-list@lists.iem.at</a>]]><br>
>> Betreff: Re: [PD] Slider/Knob<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks for recommending mknob ;-)<br>
>><br>
>> I'd like to do an update of moonlib soon, as it has received some<br>
>> improvements: sfread2~ understands a new [index( message (thx to Antoine<br>
>> Villeret), and mknob now better supports zooming.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> About the latter, I'd like to hear your opinion (you all mknob users...)<br>
>> about the following problem (and the solution I propose):<br>
>><br>
>> mknob poses a particular problem: because its circular shape doesn't<br>
>> comply to Pd graphical paradigm (every other objects are rectangular<br>
>> shaped), iolets are floating in an empty space near the knob; because<br>
>> it's<br>
>> visually ugly, and I don't want to surround the knob with a rectangular<br>
>> box, I chose not to draw the iolets, even when the mknob is not bounded<br>
>> to<br>
>> receive/send symbols. The problem (for explicitly connected knobs) is<br>
>> now<br>
>> that it's somewhat tricky to guess where you have to draw the connection<br>
>> to/from, and that the wire connects to/from nowhere. This is acceptable<br>
>> for<br>
>> small knob, but when it becomes bigger it's really weird.<br>
>><br>
>> So the only idea I see (apart from hacking Pd sources...) is to setup 3<br>
>> inlets and 3 outlets, so that you can connect from/to the one in the<br>
>> middle; the wire is then actually connected to the circle. I succeeded to<br>
>> code this behaviour, keeping to possibility to use any inlet and sending<br>
>> to<br>
>> the three outlets. It's maybe a little far-fetched, but its works. What<br>
>> do<br>
>> you think of it?<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Antoine Rousseau<br>
>> <a href="http://www.metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.metalu.net</a>[<a href="http://www.metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.metalu.net</a>][<a href="http://www.metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.metalu.net</a>[<br>
>> <a href="http://www.metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.metalu.net</a>]][<a href="http://metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://metalu.net</a>[<a href="http://metalu.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://metalu.net</a>][<br>
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>><br>
>> Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 13:05, Christof Ressi <<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a><br>
>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>][mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[mailto:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]][mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[mailto:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>][mailto:<a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>[mailto:<br>
>> <a href="mailto:christof.ressi@gmx.at" target="_blank">christof.ressi@gmx.at</a>]]]> a écrit :I recommend mknob from moonlib, but<br>
>> make sure you get the latest version from deken for pd >= 0.47<br>
>><br>
>> Christof<br>
>><br>
>> > Gesendet: Freitag, 07. September 2018 um 12:59 Uhr<br>
>> > Von: Clemens <<a href="mailto:reinklang@online.de" target="_blank">reinklang@online.de</a>[mailto:<a href="mailto:reinklang@online.de" target="_blank">reinklang@online.de</a>][mailto:<br>
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>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:reinklang@online.de" target="_blank">reinklang@online.de</a>]]]><br>
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>> > Betreff: [PD] Slider/Knob<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Hello List,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I would like to use knobs instead of sliders,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > where can I find them?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Cheers<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Clemens<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
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