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    <p>You may want to consider trying pd-l2ork which always provides
      minimal amount of necessary scrollbars for the patch to be fully
      visible. Further, it offers easy per-patch-window way to hide
      menu, scrollbars, and disabling resizing of the window.</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Ico<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/2/2019 1:23 PM, Philip Stone
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ah, I see
            that Roman and Dan Wilcox were discussing this back in
            September. It seems to be one of those thorny UI problems
            that is hard to solve.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span
              style="color:black">Philip Stone
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pkstone@ucdavis.edu"><pkstone@ucdavis.edu></a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 9:48 AM<br>
              <b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at">"pd-list@lists.iem.at"</a>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at"><pd-list@lists.iem.at></a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>patch scroll bars<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In the last
            few versions of Pd (on OS X at least -- I can’t speak for
            the other platforms), the behavior of patch window
            scrollbars seems somewhat confusing. It used to be easy to
            size a patch window so that there would be no scrollbars,
            but now I can’t figure out what the trick is to do that.
            Sometimes the scrollbars appear, sometimes they don’t.
            Resizing the patch window sometimes makes them disappear,
            only to have them re-appear on the next time the patch is
            opened.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Has anybody
            else noticed this?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Phil Stone</span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">UC Davis</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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