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    <p>> I honestly get lost in most of the internal messages and
      forget which ones are "public" and which aren't.<br>
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    <p>To be fair, "pd-dsp-started" / "pd-dsp-stopped" are not mentioned
      in the change log. I also discovered them by accident (probably
      from reading the [samplerate~] help patch).</p>
    <p>It would be cool if there was a central place where all (public)
      Pd and canvas messages are documented. The canvas messages are
      especially messy because they are currently split across several
      help patches and examples... <br>
    </p>
    <p>Christof<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19.02.2020 13:30, Dan Wilcox wrote:<br>
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      Hah, then I'm wrong. If it's documented, it's canon! I honestly
      get lost in most of the internal messages and forget which ones
      are "public" and which aren't.
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      <div class="">No, the regression isn't much different, it's more
        that things such as "dynamic patching" were never really
        intended form the start and became canon, to some extent.<br
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            <div class="">On Feb 19, 2020, at 12:00 PM, <a
                href="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at" class=""
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              wrote:</div>
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                !important;" class="">Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 10:46:07
                +0100</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                !important;" class="">From: "Peter P." <</span><a
                href="mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com"
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                !important;" class="">To:<span
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                !important;" class="">Subject: Re: [PD] [r
                pd-dsp-started] was: Re:  samplerate~</span><br
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                !important;" class="">Message-ID: <</span><a
                href="mailto:20200219094607.tsx4tjipkr32ystw@fastmail.com"
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                moz-do-not-send="true">20200219094607.tsx4tjipkr32ystw@fastmail.com</a><span
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                !important;" class="">* Dan Wilcox <</span><a
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                moz-do-not-send="true">danomatika@gmail.com</a><span
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                [2020-02-19 10:38]:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0,
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                class="">I would also point out that internal messages
                such as pd-dsp-started don't really come with an
                expected behavior for user patches. Saying how it works
                is a "bug" belies that fact that I don't believe it was
                ever intended to be used for this and just because it
                can be grabbed via a [r] also doesn't guarantee
                anything.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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              </blockquote>
              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline
                !important;" class="">The method you point out is shown
                in the help patch of [samplerate~]</span><br
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
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                !important;" class="">without any reference that it
                should be considered a bug or temporary</span><br
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
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                word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
                text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline
                !important;" class="">measure.</span><br
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              <blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Monaco;
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                class="">This is also why it's so hard to change almost
                *any* behavior within Pd as you can never really be 100%
                certain you aren't breaking someone's end use case.<br
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                !important;" class="">Do you feel this regression
                condition is much different in other software?</span><br
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              <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
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                letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
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                text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline
                !important;" class="">best, P</span></div>
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