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      <blockquote type="cite">Not sure if this is a Pd thing or just
        something stupid that macOS now does for ALL applications. </blockquote>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/12/23/apple-will-enforce-app-notarization-for-macos-catalina-in-february">https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/12/23/apple-will-enforce-app-notarization-for-macos-catalina-in-february</a></p>
    <p>Welcome to macOS Catalina :-)</p>
    <p>Christof<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29.05.2020 03:16, Alexandre Torres
      Porres wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hey macOS/Catalina people (do we have any here?), I
        formatted my computer and decided to install Catalina just to
        test things and now I can't go back. I was forced to stay in the
        latest release because I can't install XCode from app store in
        the previous OS, it has to be Catalina... Miller is right to
        hate mac and windows force pushing upgrades <3 - I might
        still try to go back and install XCode somehow cause I'm
        starting to hate a few things - enough ranting!
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        <div>Anyway, I already opened an issue that seems to affect
          Catalina - <a
            href="https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/988"
            moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/988</a> -
          but for that tcl/tk might be the one to hate for. As long as
          we're at it, do other Catalina users have the same issue
          there?</div>
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        <div><b>Now for the actual subject of the email. I'm finding
            that externals in Catalina are taking too long to load.
            Anyone else feels that? It's kind of intermittent. Sometimes
            it does that, sometimes not... it's happening for me in Pd
            0.50-2 and the new 0.51-0-test1 as well.</b></div>
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        <div>As for yet another annoyance, Catalina will now say it
          can't open Pd right out of the box when you download, and
          it'll even ask you if you want to delete. It does this even if
          you right click and ask to open it. Previously, you had to
          right click and ask to open so it would give you an option "do
          you really want to open this?". Now it just says something
          like </div>
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        <div><font color="#000000">"<span
              style="font-family:"Helvetica
              Neue";font-size:13px">“Pd-0.50-2” cannot be opened
              because the developer cannot be verified.<br>
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style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
            Neue""><font color="#000000">macOS cannot verify that
              this app is free from malware.</font></p>
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style="margin:0px;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Helvetica
            Neue";min-height:12px"><font color="#000000"><br>
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          <font color="#000000"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica
              Neue";font-size:11px">Chrome downloaded this file
              today at 22:05 from </span><span class="gmail-s1"
              style="font-family:"Helvetica
              Neue";font-size:11px"><a href="http://msp.ucsd.edu"
                moz-do-not-send="true">msp.ucsd.edu</a></span><span
              style="font-family:"Helvetica
              Neue";font-size:11px">.</span><span
              style="font-family:"Helvetica
              Neue";font-size:13px">"</span> </font></div>
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          <div>It's only when you say cancel and try that for a SECOND
            time is that if offers you the possibility to open if you
            really really want it and changes the warning to <b
              style="color:rgba(0,0,0,0.85);font-family:"Helvetica
              Neue";font-size:13px">macOS cannot verify the
              developer of “Pd-0.50-2”. Are you sure you want to open
              it?</b>. Not sure if this is a Pd thing or just something
            stupid that macOS now does for ALL applications. </div>
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          <div>cheers</div>
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