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                    > On Saturday, June 20, 2020, 6:34:02 PM EDT, Christof Ressi <info@christofressi.com> wrote:
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        <div dir="ltr">In pd_defaultbang, what is
          the reasoning for calling the list method with a null selector
          while calling the <br clear="none">
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          "&s_bang" selector?</div>
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      > contrary to the list method, the selector for the anything method
      *does* carry significant meaning. At the very least, it's
      necessary for the default anything method (which prints an error
      message). <br></div><br><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">I guess what I'm trying to ask is if there's a design constraint that requires the selector to be null in said code. Or <br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">better yet-- if the code were changed so that the selector is *never* null would bad things happen?<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks,<br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Jonathan<br></div><p>Christof<br clear="none">
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    <div class="ydp38124f0eyiv0520310689yqt9756748392" id="ydp38124f0eyiv0520310689yqtfd12833"><div class="ydp38124f0eyiv0520310689moz-cite-prefix">On 21.06.2020 00:29, Christof Ressi
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      </blockquote></div></div><div class="ydp38124f0eyiv0520310689yqt9756748392" id="ydp38124f0eyiv0520310689yqtfd39586"><div><p>Ah, sorry, I misread you're last reply. I thought you were
        repeating your first question :-)<br clear="none">
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      <div class="ydp38124f0eyiv0520310689moz-cite-prefix">On 21.06.2020 00:24, Christof Ressi
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        </blockquote></div><div><p>Did you read the discussion I've linked too? To quote Miller:</p>
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        <blockquote type="cite">I'm not sure this is a real problem -
          _anything and _list methods simply aren't guaranteed<br clear="none">
          anything about the "s" argument - it shouldn't ever be
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        <p>I think this is the answer to your question. Since the
          selector of a list message is actually redundant, you're free
          to pass NULL.<br clear="none">
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        <p>Christof<br clear="none">
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        <div class="ydp38124f0eyiv0520310689moz-cite-prefix">On 21.06.2020 00:16, Jonathan
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                <div> > On Saturday, June 20, 2020, 4:02:44 PM EDT,
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                      <div>> Hi, the selector for a list method
                        certainly shouldn't be "bang", rather it should
                        be "list". <br clear="none">
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                      <div dir="ltr">Let's back up.</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Miller,</div>
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                        pd_defaultbang, what is the reasoning for
                        calling the list method with a null selector
                        while calling the <br clear="none">
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                      <div dir="ltr">anything method
                        with an "&s_bang" selector?</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Thanks,</div>
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                      <p>> There has been a discussion about this in
                        the past and I have agree with IOhannes that Pd
                        shouldn't send NULL selectors: <a shape="rect" class="ydp38124f0eyiv0520310689ydpd7e67a11yiv1500399524moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/patches/555/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/patches/555/</a>.<br clear="none">
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                      <p>> Christof<br clear="none">
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                          20.06.2020 21:19, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
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                          <div dir="ltr">Hi Miller,</div>
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                          <div dir="ltr">In pd_defaultbang of m_class.c,
                            why does the list method get called with "0"
                            for a selector instead of "&s_bang" for
                            the c_listmethod invocation?</div>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Best,</div>
                          <div dir="ltr">Jonathan<br clear="none">
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