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    <p>Did you read the discussion I've linked too? To quote Miller:</p>
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      <blockquote type="cite">I'm not sure this is a real problem -
        _anything and _list methods simply aren't guaranteed<br>
        anything about the "s" argument - it shouldn't ever be
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    <p>I think this is the answer to your question. Since the selector
      of a list message is actually redundant, you're free to pass NULL.<br>
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    <p>Christof<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21.06.2020 00:16, Jonathan Wilkes
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            <div> > On Saturday, June 20, 2020, 4:02:44 PM EDT,
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                  <div>> Hi, the selector for a list method certainly
                    shouldn't be "bang", rather it should be "list". <br>
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                  <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Let's back up.</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Miller,</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">In pd_defaultbang,
                    what is the reasoning for calling the list method
                    with a null selector while calling the <br>
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                    with an "&s_bang" selector?</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Thanks,</div>
                  <div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Jonathan<br>
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                  <p>> There has been a discussion about this in the
                    past and I have agree with IOhannes that Pd
                    shouldn't send NULL selectors: <a shape="rect"
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                  <p>> Christof<br clear="none">
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                    <div class="ydpd7e67a11yiv1500399524moz-cite-prefix">On
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                      <div dir="ltr">In pd_defaultbang of m_class.c, why
                        does the list method get called with "0" for a
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