<div dir="ltr">Hi Miller, yes Bill and others on the Stanford cmdist list have been super helpful and supportive. I was very disappointed not to get to visit this spring for the CCRMA workshops, darned covid! I spent a couple of months evaluating lisp/scheme possibilities last fall before settling on S7, and have been very happy with the choice. Embedding and the FFI are extremely simple, the Common Music stuff "just works", and it really does fit the tradeoffs we want for computer music well. It has worked even better than I hoped and expected in Max, and given the responses here so far, I will embark on a PD port too. :-)<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the responses everyone, they are very encouraging. I imagine I will need to focus on the V2 for max for the next couple of months but will get going on PD port too, hopefully possible next semester!</div><div><br></div><div>iain</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 9:07 AM Miller Puckette <<a href="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu">msp@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Pd also doesn't do "namspaces" so that reason holds for Pd as well. ALSO,<br>
the people at Stanford are very open-source-friendly so having S7 in Pd<br>
will probably get some uptake there.<br>
<br>
cheers<br>
Miller<br>
<br>
On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 08:51:20AM -0700, Iain Duncan wrote:<br>
> Thanks Brad and Joe. Brad, yes I found your work when I was doing research,<br>
> and it was good validation that such a thing could work! I wound up going<br>
> with S7 over Common Lisp as the embedding story is really simple, and I<br>
> like the way S7 has CL macros but one simple namespace (similar to Clojure<br>
> and Janet) which works nicely in Max.<br>
> <br>
> iain<br>
> <br>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:35 AM Brad Garton <<a href="mailto:garton@columbia.edu" target="_blank">garton@columbia.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > This sounds like a terrific project!<br>
> ><br>
> > I don't know if this is of interest, but I wrote a Common Lisp interpreter<br>
> > object for Max/MSP awhile ago. The interpreter was implemented in java, so<br>
> > I'm not sure if it runs with contemporary Max/MSP-s (they dropped explicit<br>
> > java support, but I've heard from some that it still works).<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://sites.music.columbia.edu/brad/maxlispj/__;!!Mih3wA!XHYP8qU-7B6AKNtBI2TzdG69ZAJ0T2B82BOkPQE62y3I2o3xgK5FpoMpgkjV$" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://sites.music.columbia.edu/brad/maxlispj/__;!!Mih3wA!XHYP8qU-7B6AKNtBI2TzdG69ZAJ0T2B82BOkPQE62y3I2o3xgK5FpoMpgkjV$</a> <br>
> ><br>
> > brad<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:32 AM Joe Deken <<a href="mailto:newblankets@newblankets.org" target="_blank">newblankets@newblankets.org</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Hello Ian,<br>
> >> (Allowing for time-zones and the dateline) I would eagerly like to be the<br>
> >><br>
> >> -- FIFTH IMMEDIATE HEARTY "YES" VOTE!? --<br>
> >><br>
> >> From my own viewpoint, the introduction of LISP structures and capability<br>
> >> into<br>
> >> Pd would be seminal to new visions and vistas for Pd itself. (I am warped<br>
> >> by having conversations<br>
> >> with Chris McCormick and other aficionados of Clojure, incorrigible years<br>
> >> myself with emacs-LISP, and even -- when dinosaurs roamed the earth, with<br>
> >> giants such as John McCarthy -- some small bit of tme of my own in his<br>
> >> shop and among his disciples at CSAIL.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Lest my mind wander (further), I'll say this more concretely: New Blankets<br>
> >> is happy to offer resources<br>
> >> for your efforts if such resources would turn out to be useful. (Not the<br>
> >> dreaded "bounty" avenue -- I'm thinking more of something like a<br>
> >> *Pd-Weekend* at my place here in San Diego (or at yours) -- Such PdW<br>
> >> would be a "round workbench" session as Katja dubs -- you could present<br>
> >> your PdScheme work (when you're ready) to a hands-on group who would riff<br>
> >> on your schemes and move them forward. At first attempt, this Pd-Weekend<br>
> >> could even be virtual and open to all via round-workbench sessions at say:<br>
> >> -- <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://meet.jit.si/duncan_pd_scheme/__;!!Mih3wA!XHYP8qU-7B6AKNtBI2TzdG69ZAJ0T2B82BOkPQE62y3I2o3xgK5Fpjp937Hb$" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://meet.jit.si/duncan_pd_scheme/__;!!Mih3wA!XHYP8qU-7B6AKNtBI2TzdG69ZAJ0T2B82BOkPQE62y3I2o3xgK5Fpjp937Hb$</a> --<br>
> >><br>
> >> A personal plea ... hope you will include in your vision the wonderful<br>
> >> ideas of Brian Harvey and his SNAP! visual-interfacing achievements. (Some<br>
> >> antidote is needed with real LISP to counter the bogus infestation of<br>
> >> Scratch! which seems to have taken pernicious hold world wide ...)<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Thu, October 22, 2020 1:34 am, <a href="mailto:pd-list-request@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list-request@lists.iem.at</a> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> 1. Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain<br>
> >> Duncan)<br>
> >><br>
> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> >> > > Message: 1<br>
> >> > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:14:26 -0700<br>
> >> > From: Iain Duncan <<a href="mailto:iainduncanlists@gmail.com" target="_blank">iainduncanlists@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >> > To: <a href="mailto:pd-list@lists.iem.at" target="_blank">pd-list@lists.iem.at</a><br>
> >> > Subject: [PD] Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for<br>
> >> > PD<br>
> >> > Hello, I'm the author of Scheme for Max, a relatively new open source<br>
> >> external for Max/MSP that hosts an embedded Scheme Lisp interpreter<br>
> >> using<br>
> >> > S7, the Scheme implementation from Bill at CCRMA, also used in Snd and<br>
> >> Common Music. The external allows one to do things like script and live<br>
> >> code Max in scheme, including evaluating lisp code on the fly from files<br>
> >> or<br>
> >> > message boxes, sending messages to other objects, writing to and from<br>
> >> common data structures, and interacting with the scheduler. I'm pretty<br>
> >> excited about how well it's working for my purposes, and will be doing a<br>
> >> new release this fall as part of my MMus at UVic, as well as turning it<br>
> >> into a thesis project. I also intend to include full support for the<br>
> >> Common<br>
> >> > Music algorithmic composition toolkit (which also is programmed in S7<br>
> >> scheme or SAL)<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > I have been kicking around the idea of trying a PD port, and wanted to<br>
> >> check whether this sounded interesting to folks in PD land. I like the<br>
> >> idea<br>
> >> > of port because it's always good to be have one's work usable on more<br>
> >> than<br>
> >> > one platform, and linux support would be good for low latency use cases<br>
> >> and<br>
> >> > things like running on small machines. I expect this would be a<br>
> >> > significant<br>
> >> > amount of work though, so figured I'd see if it sounded interesting to<br>
> >> folks first.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > You can get the idea of how it works from the v1 demo video if you want<br>
> >> to<br>
> >> > see what I'm getting at. <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErirIFCTdjg__;!!Mih3wA!XHYP8qU-7B6AKNtBI2TzdG69ZAJ0T2B82BOkPQE62y3I2o3xgK5FppmGcy9f$" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErirIFCTdjg__;!!Mih3wA!XHYP8qU-7B6AKNtBI2TzdG69ZAJ0T2B82BOkPQE62y3I2o3xgK5FppmGcy9f$</a> <br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Comments, questions, feedback welcome.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Iain<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> >> > Message: 2<br>
> >> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:35:01 +0200<br>
> >> > From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <<a href="mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at" target="_blank">zmoelnig@iem.at</a>><br>
> >> ...<br>
> >> > so now that you ask: i think it would be great.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > gfadmsr<br>
> >> > IOhannes<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> >> > Message: 3<br>
> >> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:56:16 +0200<br>
> >> > From: "Peter P." <<a href="mailto:peterparker@fastmail.com" target="_blank">peterparker@fastmail.com</a>><br>
> >><br>
> >> ...<br>
> >> > It would be great to have esp common list available in Pd as part of an<br>
> >> open-source licensed external indeed.<br>
> >> > ------------------------------<br>
> >><br>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> >> > Message: 4<br>
> >> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:49:59 +0100<br>
> >> > From: Andy Farnell <<a href="mailto:padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk" target="_blank">padawan12@obiwannabe.co.uk</a>><br>
> >> ....<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Would love to see Scheme come to Pd.<br>
> >> > Thanks for that Iain.<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > Andy<br>
> >><br>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> >> > Message: 5<br>
> >> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:27:10 +0200<br>
> >> > From: ub <<a href="mailto:ub@xdv.org" target="_blank">ub@xdv.org</a>><br>
> >> ....<br>
> >> > i first met functional programming with fluxus and it turned my head<br>
> >> inside out. %-)<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > would be absolutely great to have that in pd!<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > cheers,<br>
> >> ><br>
> >> > ub<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
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